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The Golf Thread

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Thought Tiger had blown this, but Sergio showing that iron will of his, won't be top 8 now:laugh:. Lingmerth the threat ATM.
well he proved you wrong, didn't he? he tied for 8th...:p

second runner-up for lingmerth this year, didn't melt down on sunday as well...looks like there is some potential there...
 
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Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Guys/golf experts - how has Tiger gotten to #1 without winning a major for many years? Is it because he's won a lot of "non-major" but still important golf tournaments in the last year or two?

I'm obviously a tennis guy so the easiest comparison would be this example:

is it like a player who wins a whole lot of Masters 1000 tournaments but not a Grand Slam, but since the Grand Slams have been shared by different players they have still won enough Masters 1000 tournaments to be #1?
 

BackFootPunch

International 12th Man
Yeah that'd be a fair comment. Today's win was probably his biggest since coming back in terms of the quality of the field.

I guess golf is a little different to tennis in that it's very rare to actually have the same guys winning the majors (or anything for that matter). Obviously the big 4 dominate tennis right now (as well as most of the other tournaments) but there hasn't been a truly dominant golfer since Tiger was the old Tiger. Since 2008, Rory McIlroy is the only guy to have won any of the majors in consecutive years. Luke Donald got to number one in the world just by being ridiculously consistent (heaps of top 10s, a few wins etc.), Rory got there on the back of a couple of Majors and some other good results - it's easy to forget that he's only won 10 pro titles since 2009 which seems pretty high but isn't amazing considering how many tournaments they play.

Tiger has now won 4 times this year in 7 events. He's the only guy right now (and in last 15 years) who can dominate by actually winning stuff.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Guys/golf experts - how has Tiger gotten to #1 without winning a major for many years? Is it because he's won a lot of "non-major" but still important golf tournaments in the last year or two?

I'm obviously a tennis guy so the easiest comparison would be this example:

is it like a player who wins a whole lot of Masters 1000 tournaments but not a Grand Slam, but since the Grand Slams have been shared by different players they have still won enough Masters 1000 tournaments to be #1?
Just fundamentally different sports really. Apples/oranges things.

Couple of number ones recently have not won a major at all, Donald being the dullest, and Westwood the fattest.

The fact is golf is a sport where luck plays a massive part IMHO, a ball kicking right can be unplayable, or stays steady and it can be middle of the fairway. Chip ins and long putts are great, but with contours of the green, you can never be certain even a perfectly hit shot will go in, and maybe less perfectly hit ones will. Get a good bounce, hit the flag hard. There's just so many variables in 270 odd shots, where the course isn't constant, like a tennis court.

Yeah you get the odd lucky frames and let-cords in tennis, but it's not to the same degree.

I like to laugh at Greg Norman, but you have to say he was an unlucky bastard, type in Bob Tway or Larry Mize into Youtube for evidence.

Mickelson won his first major with a pulled putt which he misread. Plenty of genius shots by him and the likes of seve, were pulled off when he'd clattered into trees, yes incredible for doing that, but sometimes you just have no shot.

So you get random Major winners who don't really deserve it, who haven't played that well in their career but have great luck, combined with great play on one Tournament, so people who have just won the normal Tournaments, and been consistent in the Majors can be number 1.

Adam Scott was one where he didn't win out of turn, and the disasters of before probably tempered him.

I always feel a bit sorry for golfers being called chokers when they just have some people play ridiculously well around them, like when Schwartzel won his Masters, really not a lot anyone can do about the run he had coming in. Choking is collapsing awfully like Sergio yesterday or McIlroy or Norman in the Masters.

Yet don't get me wrong, this doesn't mean that Woods and Nicklaus are just luckier than the rest, no they get themselves in the position again and again, over 20 odd years. Nicklaus had a ridiculous amount of seconds, and places, you get there enough you win enough. Obviously if you have a strong nerve, you win even more.

Tiger does the same, all the multi-major winners will have had many close calls.

Having said all that there was times when Tiger and Jack mid-career were just so good that the vagaries mattered little. Tiger was robbed of a grand-slam when he played in a gale in the Open.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Guys/golf experts - how has Tiger gotten to #1 without winning a major for many years? Is it because he's won a lot of "non-major" but still important golf tournaments in the last year or two?

I'm obviously a tennis guy so the easiest comparison would be this example:

is it like a player who wins a whole lot of Masters 1000 tournaments but not a Grand Slam, but since the Grand Slams have been shared by different players they have still won enough Masters 1000 tournaments to be #1?
Ranking points are heavily weighted towards winning and Tiger wins much more than anybody else in history e.g. 8 biggish tournaments since end of 2011 with next best being Rory on 4

He also finishes at least top ten on virtually every occasion he tees it up and rarely misses a cut which ensures that he accrues a heap of points every week

Compare this to Rory at no. 2 (wins quite a lot but is very inconsistent and misses a lot of cuts) and Scott at no.3 (doesn't win a lot, rarely misses a cut but is very consistent in the big tournaments) and you'll soon see why he is ahead
 
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social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Cheers boys.

Do you have to "defend" points like in tennis?
Short answer is yes

A player's ranking is based on the average number of points earned from each tournament during the last 2 calendar years and points are dropped at end of that period

Consistency is paramount and there is no advantage to be gained from playing a heap more tournaments than everyone else as it is a quotient rather than quantum game - as such, someone like Wozniaki would be unlikely to reach no. 1 in golf as Serena's average would have been higher

Golf rankings can be found here (Official World Golf Ranking - Home - Introduction - 5/14/2013 2:31:10 AM) and you can find points earned per tournament by clicking on the individual player's name
 
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social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Good ol' Sergio taking the moral high ground in his spat with Tiger....
Latest in a long line of Spaniards apparently showing intolerance towards minorities

He really isn't doing himself any favors atm and I reckon the US crowds will really let him have it next time out
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Big week for the traditionalists with the imminent banning of anchoring in the putting stroke by the R & A/USGA but it will be interesting to see the response of the PGA and some leading professionals

Having played around with a belly putter and broomstick on a putting green last week, I reckon that there is a case to be had against the former as it definitely made the stroke easier for me (not saying much btw)

The broomstick was different in that it is an entirely different technique/feel and would take a long time to perfect IMO

My gut feel is that ban will result in even more players using the broomstick with a modified technique and other alternate grips than before as the belly putter will basically become redundant

Naturally there have been a lot of opinions expressed but the last word should go to Colin Montgomerie (Colin Montgomerie backs ban on anchored putting - Golf - Scotsman.com)

“They have seen sense and it [anchoring] has been banned,” said the eight-times European No 1, who has used a belly putter himself on and off, including the 2004 Ryder Cup in Detroit, where he clinched the winning point against David Toms.

“Although I’ve used one, I’ve always been against it."

What a tool!
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
hey he obliged...:), as for being better than rory, do you really think that is the case?
Oh typical hyperbole from me, when someone I rate does well. But potentially he's got the game, and seems to have a fine temperament. Of course you never really know how it will pan out. 4 wins at 20, including this fairly big event, couldn't be doing much better. Major performances are the next test, and this win gets him in the USOpen.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
C'mon Manassero, win me some money. He's good, will win more majors than Rory, IMHO.
Could be worth a flutter in the US Open as the course might suit him and his odds should be very attractive

Given that he's not the longest hitter, very impressed that he won on a long course

Having said that, he looks to have cut down on mama's pasta and appears much stronger than last year

Rory is an enigma - doesn't appear to dig too deep when things aren't going his way but is just as likely to win next week as miss another cut
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Big week for the traditionalists with the imminent banning of anchoring in the putting stroke by the R & A/USGA but it will be interesting to see the response of the PGA and some leading professionals

Having played around with a belly putter and broomstick on a putting green last week, I reckon that there is a case to be had against the former as it definitely made the stroke easier for me (not saying much btw)

The broomstick was different in that it is an entirely different technique/feel and would take a long time to perfect IMO

My gut feel is that ban will result in even more players using the broomstick with a modified technique and other alternate grips than before as the belly putter will basically become redundant

Naturally there have been a lot of opinions expressed but the last word should go to Colin Montgomerie (Colin Montgomerie backs ban on anchored putting - Golf - Scotsman.com)

“They have seen sense and it [anchoring] has been banned,” said the eight-times European No 1, who has used a belly putter himself on and off, including the 2004 Ryder Cup in Detroit, where he clinched the winning point against David Toms.

“Although I’ve used one, I’ve always been against it."

What a tool!
I guess Montgomerie would be aware of the advantages having used one for a while. He did always come across as a bit of a knob though. I've used a broomstick putter on the practise green, wasn't easy to use at all. I don't mind the belly putter being banned myself, think the more people putting in the traditional style the better, although I'm sure there'll be ways found around the ban.
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
anyone following the memorial? with rory most likely going to miss the cut and tiger out of contention after two poor rounds, who is your pick for this week?
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
anyone following the memorial? with rory most likely going to miss the cut and tiger out of contention after two poor rounds, who is your pick for this week?
Backed Kuch and Charl, don't see why I'd go against that ATM. Tiger is going to make the cut though, think it's no probs for him, he keeps on winning these Tournaments before a Major, and then doesn't sustain the momentum. More worrying for Rory.

Matteo doing pretty well in Europe again, looked incredible today.
 

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