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IPL Spot Fixing Scandal

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
yeah.. and if it is just betting then the arguments against Srini will break down.. As long as Guru gets punished, I don't think anyone else would be hit.. The main thing is hwo and why Mumbai police have been all over only a particular team and officials.. I just do not think there will be enough proven as it seems, from the outside, to be an agenda'd item than a real investigation.
Betting on his own's team matches has other consequences though. Not sure about the law in India, but in other countries where betting is permitted even that is illegal.

And Srini is not only a father in law here, but team owner of Chennai super kings which Gurunath was running from what it seems. Despite the denials, the arguments against Srini don't break down AT ALL.

He will have to resign or be kicked out most likely.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
You guys are forgetting the most important bit. Srinivasan looks and acts like a complete ****. Someone call the **** mobile already.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Dhoni may not play on Sunday

Dhoni may be suspended

Really ???
Indian TV channel IBN 7
Just to clarify, the "Really???" In that first post was to express incredulous dis belief at the rumour the channel was letting out. It is interesting how the Hindi language channels are much more full of rumour- mongering than the English channels even when both are from the same management and ownership
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member

First match was fixed, then Gurunath Meiyappan placed huge bets, say police

Gurunath Meiyappan, head of the Chennai Super Kings and son-in-law of BCCI chief N Srinivasan, used to place "huge bets" on IPL matches after fixing the game, Mumbai Police on Saturday told a metropolitan court which sent him to police custody till May 29

The CSK team principal shared inside information about the Chennai franchise with bookies to make money, the Mumbai Crime Branch told the court. "First a particular match was fixed, then Gurunath used to place huge bets on those matches," the Crime Branch said in its remand application, adding that Meiyappan needed to be interrogated further to unravel the betting racket.

Public prosecutor Wajid Sheikh told the court that even during the matches, a large number of calls were made by Meiyappan to arrested actor Vindoo Dara Singh, who would then call bookies Jupiter, Pawan Jaipur and Sanjay Jaipur asking them to place the bets.

The remand application said the Crime Branch also intended to investigate Meiyappan's relations with controversial Pakistani umpire Asad Rauf who was allegedly in touch with bookies. It said the police also wanted to find out the financial arrangement between Vindoo and Meiyappan.

"Cricket is a natural game but they make it unnatural," said Sheikh, seeking seven days' police remand for Meiyappan. Also, police said they needed to seize four mobile phones used by Meiyappan.

Defence counsel Abad Ponda said Meiyappan's arrest was illegal, saying if a person appears before the police pursuant to summons, he cannot be arrested. "Moreover, there is no wrongful gain and nobody was cheated. In fact, Gurunath lost money," he said.

Later, speaking to mediapersons, Joint Commissioner (crime) Himanshu Roy said that as per the normal procedure, police would search the premises owned by Meiyappan to gather evidence. Meiyappan, he said, was placing bets through Vindoo, not only on matches involving his own team but other IPL entities as well for the last two years. He said though Meiyappan had lost Rs 1 crore through betting in the current IPL season, he mostly won when he betted on matches involving the Chennai franchise.

"We are trying to ascertain if they (Meiyappan and Vindoo) had telephonic conversation during the strategic timeout (2.5 minutes set aside for the teams for strategising during the match) too," he said.

Roy said Meiyappan used to facilitate Vindoo's entry into the VIP hospitality box during CSK's matches. Vindoo, he said, also personally knew several players of Kolkata Knight Riders. He further claimed that Rauf "fled" India on being tipped off by Vindoo about an impending crackdown after the spot-fixing scandal was exposed with the arrest of three Rajasthan Royals players.

He said Mumbai police had seized a 'gift parcel' containing high-end watches, denims and T-shirts that one of the bookies who Vindoo had reportedly helped escape to Dubai had sent to Rauf from Delhi airport's cargo terminal.

Asked if Rauf was himself into betting or actively involved in spot- or match-fixing, Roy said being an umpire it was difficult for him to do that but he could have manipulated the results through his umpiring decisions. He said Rauf has not been made an accused in the betting case being probed by Mumbai police "as of now" though it has come across some instances of "impropriety" committed by the Pakistani umpire.

Source : Indian Express : 25th May 2013
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
yeah.. and if it is just betting then the arguments against Srini will break down.. As long as Guru gets punished, I don't think anyone else would be hit.. The main thing is hwo and why Mumbai police have been all over only a particular team and officials.. I just do not think there will be enough proven as it seems, from the outside, to be an agenda'd item than a real investigation.
HB, the main thrust of the call for Srinivasan to go is not based on even a suggestion of any wrong-doing by him personally but on two other grounds. First a ground of morality and propriety since this has happened in his watch, CSK is a team owned by him and Guru is his son-in-law. The second argument is that if BCCI is going to conduct the inquiry on what has happened it is only fair for it to be perceived by the general public as being objective impartial and above board. This objective is threatened by the obvious conflict of interest in Mr Srinivasan's position both as CSK owner and being Guru's father-in-law. It is not enough to say that the enquiry will be I partial.

Mr Srinivasan is a very important person in more fields than one. He is not Lalit Modi whose only claim to fame was IPL and had everything to lose if he lost that position. Not so Mr Srinivasan. He has much to gain by being seen to act with propriety pro-actively and much to lose if he sticks to his guns on whatever personal grounds.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Regarding CSK, it is widely felt that it would be highly inappropriate to have a team whose principal and clearly senior management person ( he bought the players in the auction besides everything else) to play in the finals and maybe go on to lift the cup. Even if they pick up the runners up trophy it is going to be seen as something that will open the running of the game in India to ridicule.

By the way, the Board president presides over the final and presents the trophies in IPL. It is considered inappropriate for Mr Srinivasan to be doing that in the present situation.

All these are not legal issues but those of propriety and be seen to be doing the right thing instead of steamrolling public opinion in the face of strong public opinion.

Headlines today presented a poll conducted in the five Metros and Pune which shows that 75 percent or more of the people, across the country feel BCCI has not done. Good job and under 15 percent think they have done a good job. Surely this is not something BCCI honchos want to ignore.

Besides Sahara who have already informed of their decision to end the 13 year old sponsorship of Team India, Pepsi too has come out in the open saying it could withdraw the sponsorship to avoid the negative fallout of association with BCCI unless things change dramatically. You can't expect the greenback savvy BCCI honchos not to be worried about these developments.

So lets look at the issues objectively rather than the narrow prism of communities and politics for we may draw the completely wrong inferences if we do.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
To be clear, I think Srini is a **** who needs to be thrown out too.. I am just saying that this is NOT an opportunity for clean up.. This is just going to go the Dalmiya and Modi ouster way when a group of ****s are replaced another group of ****s who are gonna do the same with this game...
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Obviously, betting and fixing are different issues as well and if police have evidence, and my problem so far has been that Mumbai police seem to have very little of it and hence, they keep "breaking news" and rumours about all these activities to the media... If something gets proven, then obviously these guys positions (Srini, Meiyappan, CSK franchise) are untenable.. But will anything get proven? That is the real question. I just won't put it out of Srinivasan and his group's reach that they pull some strings and get out of this mess...
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
. I just won't put it out of Srinivasan and his group's reach that they pull some strings and get out of this mess...
That's quite possible in our country. All the more reason for the public pressure, manifested through the electronic media, must be kept up. The only thing that will force the others in BCCI to act is the heat they feel from public and media. But you are quite right we could have one set of crooks replaced by another set of crooks. In fact this is the most likely scenario. It is al the more important for the public to be conscious of this tragedy that has befallen our sport, not today but for a decade and more. Almost all those who could have come to the fore to form an alternative to the politician/industrialist cabal that has taken over our game have been compromised. Former players, some of them legends, have seen it fit to wash their hands in the Ganga flowing with the big bucks. The cynical exercise undertaken by BCCI to buy the "loyalties" of former cricketers has been a great success and we seem to be left with no ray of light at the end of the tunnel.

I do not see any chance of an improvement in the state of affairs in which we find ourselves until a group of more recent cricketing greats viz Dravid, Kumble, Sachin, Ganguly etc come together with the express purpose of giving back to the game that made them what it needs most at this time of crisis - an administration of those who understand the game, love it genuinely and would like to see it administered in a manner that the billion plus fans deserve.

It is quite possible that those like Dravid and Kumble have thought of this but the forces arrayed in the other side seem so very powerful as to defeat the intentions of the best at the very outset. This is why a public outcry for cleaning up the game, not by the present set in BCCI, must be persistent and sustained so that the few left who are both concerned about the malaise and have the stature and wherewithal to be part of the solution feel they have the support to do it.

It is looking bleak with the politician/corporate nexus and the extent to which each and every state unit has been compromised but all the more reason for those, who are the only ones with a genuine long term stake in the game which is not based on money or power, to make sure this does not continue.

Unfortunately, we appear immune to the arrogance of those in power and ignore their acts of omission and commission as long as they throw crumbs our way. Otherwise we would have been enraged at the lack if basic facilities in our cricket grounds. Easy access to water and WC's is what we should be lamenting. Skimpily dressed cheer leaders do not make up for the absence of these.

When the entire team of commentators is gagged with a Red-China, nay North Korea, like iron hand and we have the unreal experience of listening to commentary as if nothing has happened while a click of the remote brings shots of cricketers being taken away by cops we need to ask ourselves whether this is what we want. There was a time when we were concerned about players being gagged and not being allowed to speak in public and now we accept a gag order on an entire commentator community. Is this acceptable to you as a cricket lover.

Don't you want there to be a debate and a discussion and an explanation when someone like Mohinder Amarnath says in public that the selectors (three out of five) had voted to remove Dhoni as captain but the BCCI president intervened. Not only did Dhoni keep his job but Amarnath, who was widely expected to be the next chairman of selectors, was removed from the committee in the next reshuffle. No one, not even Mohinder's parent state unit or Zone raised a cry. So much has even a semblance of democracy within the BCCI been compromised.

Why is there no hue and cry when our players are not allowed to join the international player's associations? Can't we see why this is done ?

We, the Indian cricket lovers, should feel pride when our team is ranked high in the game but there is no pride in the fact that our board is the bully in ICC. We need to be able to differentiate between being a cricketing power house due to the quality of our cricketers and being one that can force decisions in the committee rooms of ICC due to the size of our board's over flowing coffers. There is no pride in being an international bully. But what is worse is that from the time our cricketing bosses have discovered their power in the international game they have been treating us, the fans at home, with even worse contempt than before.

Why can't we see that?

So my friend, instead of you and I also talking of communities and politics, let us agree that our game is facing a serious crisis and we have very few amongst those in or close to the present centres of power to look up to for a remedy. A complete and radical overhaul of our system is required and the only person who can force it is the cricket fan. Lets not lose it by taking sides amongst the crooks who are currently running the game.

When the Supreme Court made the strongly worded criticism of BCCI the other day one saw a ray of hope. Not because the apex court can or should intervene in the game but because it is a cue to many that things have reached an alarming state for such a sober, staid and highly responsible body as India's Supreme Court handed out strictures to cricket authorities.

The cue is now for the media to keep up the pressure, for the fans show their disgust in startling ways (a near empty Eden Gardens would be a great start) and for the cricketers in the country, the right thinking ones, to be once again brought together to form a body with affiliations in each state that must fight the elections and start taking over state units from where the 31 votes come !

It appears like a long shot and a pipe dream but there is no alternative and this is one time when such an initiative has some chance of success otherwise . . .
 
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Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
How is this bigger than Asif/Amir?
How is this not 'MUCH bigger'? What did Amir and Asif do? Bowl a no-ball each? Thats all, whereas here the whole IPL seems to be corrupt. They have thus far only caught the small bookies. Who knows how many more are involved. I suspect that they'll try to brush everything under the carpet fairly soon unfortunately.
Amir and Asif made world news. Look at the amount of posts about this on here compared to back in 2010 when no-ball gate happened. Look at the amount of news articles outside India about the IPL fix.

People aren't too surprised that the IPL may be corrupt. Its not bigger news than what happened at Lords in an international test match.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Corruption in IPL

The mess in the message
As the game unravels outside, India's cricket bosses play defiant and dumb
Sharda Ugra
May 25, 2013

The most emphatic, definitive piece of news on this day before the final was BCCI president N Srinivasan telling a scrum of reporters wherever he went that he would not resign. "There is no need. I have done nothing wrong." Oh, and the final is actually going to go ahead - that information was passed on to a waiting pack of cameramen through a car window by IPL chairman Rajiv Shukla.

Right there, on this day, we saw the BCCI holding up a mirror up to itself. Not as governors of the world's wealthiest domestic T20 league, the head honchos of the world game in resources and audience. The mirror showed up an organisation, across the highest ranks of its leadership, out of touch with the requirements of reality.

Dealing with the dizzy speed at which events have moved over the past few days, damaging the credibility of the IPL itself, required sagacity and action.


What it got from Srinivasan was disdain over questions about his situation and his three-pronged existential dilemma, a conflict of interests come to horrifying life. Something has gone terribly wrong with his board's biggest tournament, the IPL team he owns and his son-in-law, whom he put in charge of that very team.

Yet the single refrain heard from Srinivasan on the eve of the IPL final was a hectoring, focused around himself and his position: "I have done nothing wrong. I am sorry. I cannot be bulldozed and I will not allow the press or the others to railroad me." This from a "man of cricket," when the cricket under his watch unravels at high speed.

At a time when police across cities in India are reeling in bookies who are then singing about cricketing criminality in full chorus, what the IPL and Indian cricket needed through Shukla and the BCCI was an acknowledgement of a state of emergency in Indian cricket and transparency about its future course of action, both before and after the IPL final. What we needed was a statement, a signal, anything to indicate that the BCCI was seized of Gurunath's arrest and its implications. What we got was silence and opacity.

The IPL now runs on such an operational auto-pilot that it found no cause to add to its "four million and counting" tweets, by assuring the outer world - the audience it feeds into and lives off - that Gurunath's arrest would have no impact on either the IPL final or Super Kings for the next two days. Until Shukla formally tossed a few crumbs of comments to television.

All the IPL has done in the 24 hours since Gurunath's arrest is, issue a code of conduct warning to Dwayne Smith, and remove the "Fair Play Award" category from its webpage. The latter with good reason: Three players and an official from the two teams at the top of that Fair Play table are at the moment in police custody, having their sense of fair play questioned.

The IPL's governing council and the BCCI's powerbrokers are, give or take a few, the same people. Those who amended the BCCI's constitution to allow board members - starting with Srinivasan himself - to have a "commercial interest" in events related to the board. No wonder, then, that on Saturday the BCCI's priorities immediately turned to tackling its power crisis and letting IPL 2013 run itself out. There was little attention given to rescuing the image of the league, to stop it from running aground, and setting it back on even keel.

Under the Srinivasan regime, the urge to control the message around Indian cricket has become so reflexive that in a time of a crisis the immediate response was to hold back giving out any message. This method may have worked in the 1970s but in a 24/7 information age it showed the board as out of touch with its audience and its time. It proved that in the board, whether controlled by Srinivasan or Shukla or any of their kind, governance and a sense of responsibility remain truly shipwrecked.

Sharda Ugra writing for cricinfo
 
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social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The biggest scandal in the game for as long as I can remember and yet this place has become silent as a tomb. Perhaps a tomb is appropriate . . . for the faithful may finally have taken time out for mourning . . . or is it a strategic time out ? By the way, does anyone have a "fresh" insight on why a twenty over game needs two time outs !! :sleep:
I haven't made any comment because:

a. I wasn't surprised; and

b. Nothing I could say would be anywhere near as entertaining as the reality
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
It may be so but Pawar alone won't be able to swing it. There are others whose voices count as well. The most important factor that goes against Srinivasan is the anti-corruption sentiment in the country today. All opposition parties, particularly the major ones are beating rivals with this stick. The public is sick of the seemingly unending number of skeletons and with general elections looming ahead, no one wants to be seen to be backing such an emotive issue with such corrupting issues attached. The public is watching the drama unfold on the tv screens, the apex court has already stepped in and asked the BCCI to clean up its house, Mr Srinivasan, with his belated dish owning of his son-in-law's connections to CSK has kind of admitted that he expects the stuff against Guru to affect CSK and him ;Srinivasan) personally. Under theses circumstances no one wants to be seen to be *****footing any more. Those who come on TV debates trying to soft peddle the issue with a wait for the investigation to be over and a few rotten eggs kind of lines are being verbally assaulted and made to look really terrible if not down right involved in the corruption. And a billion Indians are watching this unfold right before their eyes. Day before night and even yesterday more Indians were watching the Newshour on Times Now than we're watching the game between MI and RR.

No one needs to do much to paint Srinivasan in murky colours. His son in law and everything else has done that job very well. If his opponents take advantage of it we should not be surprised but this issue does not start with his opponents.

By the way, it is quite likely that a lot of people who may otherwise be Srinivasan's rivals are also linked, directly or indirectly with some of this rot. One hears names and stuff but it is neither fair nor prudent to state these. Nevertheless, if this is indeed the case, these people too want a lid on the scandal and they too feel, Srinivasan's going may mollify the public a bit. Banning the players who get caught for life immediately is another thing they will do. They just want to go out of the way now to be seen as people who are on the same side as the cricket fan. The big rush to bring out a new law, however half baked, ineffective and badly implemented in practice, is yet another diversionary tactic. They just want to be seen to taking action. Till yesterday afternoon, no one, including Srinivasan's rivals talked of asking him to go. It was only when it was known that Guru was located and returning to Mumbai and that India Cements was disowning his status in CSK if last five years that they realised that the case against him was strong enough for this to be a dead end, that they started changing their tunes.

It is also now known that the cops presented evidence before the court yesterday showing the extent of Guru's involvement which was damning enough for them to arrest him at the end of the interrogation late into the night. This fact too must have been known to all the powerful men involved in IPl and they must have stared making damage control strategies.

At the end of the day, politicians know only one religion and one ethnicity, the one of power and influence, and they will make any compromise and take any amount of U turns to stay in that area of power and influence.

The community , caste, religion and language cards are the ones they use to make monkeys out of you and me. It is our communal sensibilities that they exploit in this Maratha vs whoever game. It means nothing to them but they realise this is what they can use to fool the bumbling idiocy that makes the majority
This is all rather depressing.

The only positive is the slick work of the Delhi police.

However, even with excellent police work, the chance of snuffing out the cronies and their complete lack of dedication to the well-being of cricket is at best minimal, because, as you point out, the big questions are not questions of legality, but instead integrity and morals.

It may well be perfectly legal to Srinivasan to be owner of the CSK and an IPL director, but it sure as hell ain't moral. Whether he was the architect of fixing or not - and lets face it, he was perfectly placed to be and it's very likely that he at least knew what was going on - the actual fixing is far less important in the long run than agendas that run completely counter to the interests of Indian and world cricket. And the reality is that the IPL and BCCI has shown itself to be stuffed full of people who have their own agendas. They will probably wipe their hands of Srinivasan but there won't be much change.
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
This is all rather depressing.

The only positive is the slick work of the Delhi police.

However, even with excellent police work, the chance of snuffing out the cronies and their complete lack of dedication to the well-being of cricket is at best minimal, because, as you point out, the big questions are not questions of legality, but instead integrity and morals.

It may well be perfectly legal to Srinivasan to be owner of the CSK and an IPL director, but it sure as hell ain't moral. Whether he was the architect of fixing or not - and lets face it, he was perfectly placed to be and it's very likely that he at least knew what was going on - the actual fixing is far less important in the long run than agendas that run completely counter to the interests of Indian and world cricket. And the reality is that the IPL and BCCI has shown itself to be stuffed full of people who have their own agendas.
Yes you are right. It is very depressing which is why people like myself are so worked up . . . it is our own helplessness to do anything about it that hurts the most. There is no one, no one at all, amongst those one could normally expect results from to look up to.

The BCCI we all know so we expect nothing even after Srinivasan goes. Dalmiya, Bindra, Pawar, Srinivasan and whoever comes next (Jaitley or anyone else) they all have vested interests and cricket is not a priority with any of them.

The ICC is behaving like we the third world countries used to behave once and took all the nonsense from the global powers who provided us with food (and much else) to feed our starving millions. Of course, ICC's flock is not going to starve but those who can stand up to BCCI and its money power are in a minority. The former third world countries are easier to buy the votes of and this works fine for BCCI. If ICC was to call BCCI's bluff the latter would collapse if international cricket against the top nations was denied them. BCCI may threaten to divide the cricketing world (a kind of black vs white divide if you dont mind the unintended racial undertones) but this wont sustain and more nations in BCCI's block today when it comes to voting will have a rethink. Giving in to BCCI is much worse than giving in to Packer and with much greater and far-reaching negative fall outs.

The politicians are not going to do anything since, inspite of tearing each other (opponents) to shreds in and outside Parliament they seem to be in one cosy club in the air conditioned offices of the BCCI. It is amazing how they scratch each others back when faced with an external threat to the elite-club that BCCI has become. Their internal fueds within BCCI remain just that - internal fueds. It is no surprise that Dalmiys, so unceremoniously and publicly ousted by the current set was the host for dinner to the BCCI management committee members last night. Not just that, most of them, including Srinivasan, met him personally, it appears, on a one to one basis, before the dinner. What can you expect from this coterie. So any talk of Pawar versus Srinivasan etc is useless as far as we the Indian fans are concerned.

The police, though they have done a commendable job so far, have their political masters whose interests, unfortunately, are political at best. So the police can be made to do what they are told. Like it or not, in our country that is the round reality.

The players particularly the former greats and seniors are the biggest disappointment. Gavaskar and Shastri have contracts with BCCI and are paid millions every year. Their silence, though deafening, is completely on expected lines. Even Sanjay Manjrekar, who till last year was the one outspoken critic has been given a contract this year and he too is now a monk. Enough said.

The journalists Some like Harsha Bhogle and Ayaz Memon who are widely read and write well have become extremely soft and any criticism is couched in laudatory terms, if at all. We do not have any Ian Chappells in the main stream. Bhogle is in the same boat as Sunil and Ravi being a commentator and Memon has been doing commentary off and on as well. It is terrrible that the TV channels are not allowed to pick their own commentators. Those who are chosen have a gag order. You cant talk against BCCI, you cant talk against IPL. You cant talk in favour of UDRS and so on. Think about it. What kind of a regime does this kind of gagging exist in? How are we tolerating it.

There is the odd brave and sane voice - Pradeep Magazine immediately comes to mind - but how many of you hear them. Magazine was only seen once by me in the last four days of TV debating panels across four mainstream News channels. And even here, the anchor was so much in awe of the BCCI representative from J&K , Aslam Goni, that he allowed the latter to completely monopolise the debate making a mockery of the panel discussion. Somehow, we seem to be 'turned on' by those who rave and rant at the higher decibel levels and those who talk sense but politely and softly like Pradeep Magazine does, are less listened to by the masses.

The electronic Media is one tiny ray of hope but their attention span is only as long as that between this scandal and the next.

So what can the cricket fan do. Not much one could say but it is not absolutely true.

All those who are currently running the game and those who will run it in the future, in this country at least, are interested only in the moolah and the power which are really one and the same thing. Where does this come from? From the sponsors and the advertisers. Why do the sponsors and advertisers give the money? Because they expect you and I to buy their products. How do they know we will buy their products? They don't know but they make a guess from the numbers on the ground and the numbers who watch on TV - TRP ratings.

So. This is what is in our hands.

Send out a message to the sponsors and the advertisers that we do not like the product they are helping BCCI to sell. So we do not intend to buy it. We will not watch the games at the grounds or on TV. They can forget about trying to make us see their ads between breaks for our eyes are not going to be looking in that direction.

This and the negative publicity is the only thing that will make the sponsors and advertisers back off. The ripple effect will be as dramatic as our determination to do what we need to do and the number of us who understand that this is what we MUST do.

This is no pipe dream. This is doable. Much more importantly this is our only chance to get rid of this menace.

Do it and watch how the electronic media takes up the cause with increased vigour.

Show that the majority of Indians want this change and watch how the politicians change their tune.

Do this and watch the more concerned and right thinking former cricketers coming together to help out.

This is a possibility, howsoever remote, it is the only one. But it requires the millions of fans to decide they wont be taken for a ride anymore. If not stay on. It is a ride some of you enjoy anyway :)
 
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