Except me. I don't get the lack of love for Wasim.
i know when looking into bowl avg:, econ and str: rate alone , i too agree with you.there is a considerable gap between the 2. but i thru my earlier posts have clearly explained as to how this gap would narrow considerably.yet i repeat some of them here.do you frankly believe had Imran played 131 tests as Kapil did, would he have maintained the same no:s.?even more so if Imran played these 131 tests in just 16 years as Kapil did?(keep in mind that Kapil played 225 one days too in this time span of 16 years) .another thing is had Imran immeditely played. after his shin injury just as Kapil did with his injury in 1984, don't you feel that would have affected his numbers?another practical situation that happend with Imran was in his last few years he could afford not to bowl at all because of Wasim-Waqar rise.don't you feel lack of such support for Kapil thru out his career affected his bowling figures? Take all this collectively and suppse what actually had happend in the practical sense.I am not denying the fact that Imran was the better test bowler.i am only saying that Kapil was much better test bowler than his figures actually revealed.
ok.that i too agree.but as i elaborated in the thread,this difference between them as all rounders is only negligible if all these factors are taken into account.for me it is slightly in Kapil's favour.
It would depend on the role you're selecting them for. And I'd imagine it's as a bowling all rounder.
i feel it shoud be done on the basis of what actually had happend. i mean for players like Kapil and Imran we should consider both because both of them played consderable number of one days.Sobers didn't play that much, but him being such a great test players he should be ranked on this performance alone.
Sorry, couldn't agree. And Jayasuriya says hi as well as the ODI all rounder.
whether you not pick Kapil for 3rd or 4rth or even 5th eleven is your personel choice. but it cannot be denied that when a str: rate of 60s was the norm in the 80s, Kapil 's str: rate was 95.add to that he was an out standing one day bowler and fielder.
Who denies Kapil had a big SR. But what was his average? And what was Zaheer Abbas' average and SR, and what was Viv's? Kapil Never was a complete ODI batsman. Having said that neither Imran, Botham or Hadlee were. This shows why ODI and test all rounders should be dealt separately.
Dude I am not sure how to address your posts. And you keep on talking about Kapil's injury but do you have any idea how serious was Imran's injury and that too at his peak? It was career threatening because it wasn't being treated properly. IIRC Imran stopped bowling for a period of 2-3.5 years at his peak as a bowler. Just before the injury had hit the highest peak for any bowler post world war II and had taken a 100 wickets in 13 or 14 tests at a sub 15 average or something ridiculous like that. And with the way he was going at that time (82-83) he probably would have ended up with more wickets than Kapil despite playing significantly fewer number of test matches. But Imran didn't bowl for those 2 odd years and we will never know for sure what he could have done had he gotten the opportunity.
Hi, i gave a thorough check of what you told.yes Imran had a peak year in 1982 with 62 wkts in 9 tests.but this has been the case with all great bowlers .surely one bowlers peak might have bettered some others peak by a little margin or vice versa.that doesn't mean they could have gone on repeating this peak performance year after year. Now only in 1984 it is seen that he didn't bowl at all.quite naturally it can be assumed that he was taking full rest after his injury.Now you are claiming that his injury affected his performance .isn't it ?in 50 tests before his injury he took 232 wkts. that is 4.64 wkts/test. in his next 22 tests immediately following his injury he took 102 wkts, ie 4.63 wkts/test.
you are speaking as if all the 4 were specialist one day batsmen
Nah, Sobers no. 1 for me still. His obviousity had a zingy touch of deliciousness to it
It obviously just comes down to personal choice. But I'd take Kapil every time in an ODI XI. He was a very crafty ODI bowler who went for under 4 an over, and his batting SR of 95 is outstanding (considering the era he played in). To have that batting fire power at 7/8 in an ODI is perfect.
