Coronis
International Coach
That average vastly oversells his batting ability.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
- Thread starter Red
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watson
Banned
OK, what about this team? Anymore fine tuning necessary?
Best of the 80s and 90s
01. Sunil Gavaskar
02. Gordon Greenidge
03. Viv Richards
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Brian Lara
06. Steve Waugh
07. Ian Healy
08. Imran Khan
09. Richard Hadlee
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Shane Warne
Obviously Ponting, Ambrose, and Wasim unlucky to miss out.
Best of the 80s and 90s
01. Sunil Gavaskar
02. Gordon Greenidge
03. Viv Richards
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Brian Lara
06. Steve Waugh
07. Ian Healy
08. Imran Khan
09. Richard Hadlee
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Shane Warne
Obviously Ponting, Ambrose, and Wasim unlucky to miss out.
watson
Banned
OK, swapping Healy and Imran around in the batting order. Dujon is tempting, but Healy and Warne are a pretty legendary partnership.
Can't see Waqar being superior to Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, or Ambrose; unless you take a short window of about 2 years when he was in his pomp.
Best of the 80s and 90s
01. Sunil Gavaskar
02. Gordon Greenidge
03. Viv Richards
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Brian Lara
06. Steve Waugh
07. Imran Khan
08. Ian Healy
09. Richard Hadlee
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Shane Warne
bagapath
International Captain
Good team.
Second XI
Haynes
Gooch
G. Chappell
Miandad
Border (c)
Botham
Dujon (wk)
Akram
Qadir
Ambrose
Garner
Third XI
Anwar
Taylor
Gower
Crowe
Lloyd (c)
Kapil
Ian Smith (wk)
Holding
Murali
Waqar
Donald
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watson
Banned
Greg Chappell had an annus horribilis in 1981/82 where he scored 6 ducks in a row. Admittedly he did recover to finish his career strongly, but I think that Chappell was past his best during the 80s. Ponting is a tempting replacement, but he didn't start batting at No.3 till the 2000 season. Not sure who should bat at No.3 for your second XI really.
In the third XI I think that Gower and Crowe need to be swapped around as all of Crowe's best innings were at No.4, and Gower averaged 49 at No.3. Also, Kapil is too high at No.6, especially with a relatively weak tail to follow.
bagapath
International Captain
Chappell had the best record among batsmen who scored more than 2000 runs in the 1980s averaging a healthy 55+, a few decimal points better than even Border who comes a close second. Miandad averaged 54. No one is even close. After them, Lloyd is at 52. Deano is at 51. I think the second XI is alright. Am cool with swapping Gower and Crowe in the next team, though.
Coronis
International Coach
Would take Murali over Qadir every time.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
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watson
Banned
Slater was a fabulous batsman but there is a principle which says that you shouldn't play a batsman out of his natural position. Slater was an opener not a No.3.
So here are some true No.3 batsman who averaged the highest in that position, and who played a reasonable number of Tests during the 80's and 90s;
Blogs: Batsmen with highest averages at each position in Tests | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo
Viv Richards (61.54)
Brian Lara (60.47)
David Gower (49.42)
Mohinda Armanath (47.66)
Stephen Fleming (47.25)
Richie Richardson (47.11)
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NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Cool story. Please read my post.
the big bambino
International Captain
You mean this one and this bit?
watson
Banned
Got mislead by your post with the big arrow in it. I was talking about No.3 batsman so I thought that you were too.
Anyway, even though David Boon averaged 'only' 40 at No.3 I think he's possibly a better option for those Second/third XIs than those formentioned players. After all, he is a true 80s-90s batsman, and probably had it tougher than anyone because of 2 tours of the West Indies and Pakistan etc etc.
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Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Boon batted in the toughest position in cricket during the era of the most brutal and skilful pace bowling ever. Brilliant batsman.
I'd imagine Boon'd average much higher than he did if he played in a different era.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Correct. Also the fact that I said Slater was the best opener in the world at a time, makes NUFAN go something something when he gets someone trying to explain to him that he isn't a number 3 bat.
I made two different posts. One about Slater being in the first 3 teams as an opening batsman and I then quoted you suggesting that Boon is a good alternative for the number 3 spot.
Boon'd
