Dale Steyn vs Allan Donald vs Shaun Pollock

[vic_orthdox]

Yup, but it's only an issue because we have speedos.

Not like the greats of the past didn't spend time bowling within themselves, just that we didn't necessarily know about it.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Sometimes Marshall was even more deadly when he cut down on pace as he could make the ball talk.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Steyn bowls within himself with the new ball because at that speed he has complete and utter control of the extreme late outswinger he bowls. Why compromise that control for a quicker speed when his stock delivery is completely unplayable and destroys batting lineups. He can crank it up when he wants and generally does with the old ball.

I have never seen anyone else with as much precision and control over the outswinger than Steyn and McGrath, but Steyn swings it more and so late as well.

 

[popepouri]

Yeah, why can't Steyn deliver in ODIs?

I guess you have to ask Malcolm Marshall the same thing. He averaged 27.

 

[ankitj]

I guess you have to ask Malcolm Marshall the same thing. He averaged 27.

Yes indeed. I also subscribe to the view that a cricketer should be judged by their test performances. Yet at times I have to ask the question if there should be additional credit for good ODI record. Two formats require different skills and those who demonstrate both set of skills are perhaps more versatile sportsmen. That's the thing about the great fast bowlers of 90's and early naughties. They aced both formats.

 

[Coronis]

Its funny, reading some recent posts in this thread, when a short while ago there was a thread asking if he was the worst best fast bowler in test history.

 

[popepouri]

Yes indeed. I also subscribe to the view that a cricketer should be judged by their test performances. Yet at times I have to ask the question if there should be additional credit for good ODI record. Two formats require different skills and those who demonstrate both set of skills are perhaps more versatile sportsmen. That's the thing about the great fast bowlers of 90's and early naughties. They aced both formats.

My theory is that white ball doesn't swing as much so bowlers who rely on movement instead of bounce will struggle. That is unless they have an incredible slower ball and/or yorker. Steyn doesn't those tools in his pocket.

 

[uvelocity]

Sometimes Marshall was even more deadly when he cut down on pace as he could make the ball talk.

ball was often heard to say "you poms are useless bastards!" and then laugh maniacally

 

[Jono]

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

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Brilliant.

 

[Cabinet96]

I guess you have to ask Malcolm Marshall the same thing. He averaged 27.

Both he and Steyn were/are reasonably short for fast bowlers. I've always viewed skidier bowlers to be easier to hit in ODI's. On the other hand, tall guys like Garner and Morkel are much harder to hit.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Waqar isn't that tall either and was a skiddish bowler but still has great stats.

 

[Howe_zat]

Waqar didn't have so much of his gameplan rely on a slip cordon like those two did.

 

[kyear2]

Ecellent point. Lillee also depended pretty heavily on his cordon, what are his odi stats like?

 

[Howe_zat]

I'm just hypothesising, not saying it's true for everyone.

 

[kyear2]

I was just expanding the possible scope of an interesting hypothesis.

Found it insightful.

 

[Coronis]

Ecellent point. Lillee also depended pretty heavily on his cordon, what are his odi stats like?

63 matches, 103 wickets @ 20.82

 

[FBU]

Donald
Atherton (11), MWaugh (10), Stewart (9), Anwar (7), Ramprakash, Hick, Lara (6), Tendulkar, Azharuddin, Slater, Jayasuriya, Hussian (5)

Steyn
Hafeez (8), Sehwag, Clarke, Hussey, Trott (7), McCullum (6), Younis Khan, Katich (5)

 

[Red]

Lillee had one of the best cordons ever as well, with Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Walters (and Mallett in the gully)

 

[kyear2]

Lillee had one of the best cordons ever as well, with Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Walters (and Mallett in the gully)

Yes he did.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Both he and Steyn were/are reasonably short for fast bowlers. I've always viewed skidier bowlers to be easier to hit in ODI's. On the other hand, tall guys like Garner and Morkel are much harder to hit.

Steyn not really known for his yorker either.

There's also the fact that Steyn doesn't play very much of it, and gets rested very regularly from ODI cricket.