Cricket Books

[the big bambino]

Its his error rate that annoys me. Feel like going thru his books with a red pen. Even when I'm reading them at the book store. They shouldn't get so cranky. They say vandalised i say accurate.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I don't find him a bad writer, quite a good one imo. The fact he does not credit his souces and some of his conclusions are not always well thought out are certainly concerns

Archie, did you know that you get a mention on Roland Perry's wikipedia page for your review of Miller's Luck?

 

[uvelocity]

haha thats awesome

 

[Dan]

Went through The Art of Captaincy today. Gun read.

 

[archie mac]

Archie, did you know that you get a mention on Roland Perry's wikipedia page for your review of Miller's Luck?

Thanks mate

I was surprised how many awards he has been short listed for. I know we have been mentioned in a few cricket books and other web sites. Perhaps we should start collecting these and put them up with a link on the front page. Good for CW I reckon

 

[SJS]

Thanks mate

I was surprised how many awards he has been short listed for. I know we have been mentioned in a few cricket books and other web sites. Perhaps we should start collecting these and put them up with a link on the front page. Good for CW I reckon

Modest and understated as usual - our Archie . . . more in the mould of Archie Jackson than Archie Maclaren I would say

While on cricket books and writers I find that there have been some really under-rated yet superb writers on the game from its players.

Johnny Moyes who played for Southern Australia and Victoria from 1912-13 to 1920-21 may have had the first world war (1914-1919) cut out most of his cricketing years but it is a pleasure to read his books on the game. Having watched the game from the first decade of the 20th century till his death in the early sixties, he wrote with the authority on the game. His books are amongst my late acquisitions which is again due to his not being so well known and yet they are amongst those I have revisited over the years.

An English cricketer who is similarly not known for his writing is one modern fans do not also recognise as one of the finest leg spin bowlers to come from England and in the mould of the greats Barnes and O'Reilly - Ian Peebles. Being an 'unorthodox' (for want of a more suitable word) leg spinner who did not flight the ball but propelled it from a vertical bowling arm at a very brisk medium pace, Peebles may not have pleased the traditionalists of the 20's plus he had Freeman to contend with still ha managed to play 13 Tests for England between 1927-28 and 1931 taking 45 wickets at 30.9 each. Not figures to be scoffed at although by all accounts he was a far better bowler than those figures may suggest. He also took a small matter of 923 FC wickets at 20.4 apiece between 1927-28 and 1948.

He was also a far better writer than most people seem to know. Read them if you get a chance, particularly Johnny Moyes' Century of Cricketers, Australian Bowlers and The Changing Face of Cricket

 

[the big bambino]

Of course: Peebles! Funny funny man and a brilliant writer. Very close to being my favourite actually. He was a fine leg spinner whose career was truncated by a shoulder injury that robbed him of his skill.

Curiously enough he had it fixed by a German doctor in a chance meeting after the war. He was alright after that he said. Pity he didn't meet him around 1933 he reckoned.

 

[SJS]

Talking of cricket writing. It is interesting to see who are the most written about cricketers. WG and Bradman easily head any such list. It looks as if the Don has now over taken the Doc now but the third is line, whoever it may be, is far from these two legends.

I was making a list of pen portraits of different cricketers in my library and it is interesting to see who heads the lists. Here are the top five with the number of articles on each in my library- a couple of surprises here I bet

1. Bradman ; 30
2. Jack Hobbs : 25
3. Woolley : 21
4. WG/Miller : 17

The others with at least ten articles are

• Trumper/Hammond : 16
• Sobers : 15
• Barnes SF : 14
• Ranji/Hutton/Lindwall : 13
• Larwood/Boycott : 12
• O'Reilly : 11
• Spofforth/Fry/Grimmett/Constantine/G Headley/Bedser/Trueman/Laker/Lillee : 10 each

That's some list of all time greats. Add the top two wicket keepers from my library - Duckworth and Evans) and you have two fabulous squads. If you find the sides a bit bowling heavy you could take the next two keepers who are both top batsmen in their own rights, Walcott and Ames.

I mention these names also as an indicator of the players that cricket writers over the last century have felt need to be written about and clearly must be hold in very high esteem indeed.

Of course, the amount of literature piles up over time so the current greats will take much longer to reach these figures but they will eventually. Lillee is the most recent Test cricketer in that list I think. But we will have the Richards, the Tendulkars and the Lara's in the libraries of the young fans of today when they are older

 

[Red]

A billion books will be written on Tendulkar.

 

[Daemon]

Less books and more articles online probably.

 

[fredfertang]

Being a very sad man I collect cricketing biographies and autobiographies, and it is a demonstration of just how sad I am that aside from a few recent ones that I haven't yet picked up, there is only one player whose biography I don't have (and bloody irritating it is too!)

And I don't just limit that to one - I aim to get every book about every player, with, to stop absolute silliness, just four exceptions,

Bradman
Grace
Botham
Tendulkar

 

[Red]

Being a very sad man I collect cricketing biographies and autobiographies, and it is a demonstration of just how sad I am that aside from a few recent ones that I haven't yet picked up, there is only one player whose biography I don't have (and bloody irritating it is too!)

And I don't just limit that to one - I aim to get every book about every player, with, to stop absolute silliness, just four exceptions,

Bradman
Grace
Botham
Tendulkar

Fred, you can't tell us you're only missing one, BUT THEN NOT SAY WHO IT IS!

 

[fredfertang]

Sorry, that was a senior moment rather than a deliberate omission

'tis "The Happy Warrior", a brief and apparently not very good biography of Collie Smith that was written by Ken Chaplin and published in the Caribbean shortly after his death - I've never even seen a copy let alone had the chance to buy it

 

[Red]

Just to clarify, are you saying you have a biography of each test cricketer (apart from Smith and a couple of recent ones)? Wow!

 

[fredfertang]

Just to clarify, are you saying you have a biography of each test cricketer (apart from Smith and a couple of recent ones)? Wow!

Of course not every Test player by any means has been the subject of a book, but all those that have, Collie apart, I have managed to acquire over the years, and plenty who didn't quite scale the heights of Test level as well - this is why my marriages go west

 

[Red]

Of course not every Test player by any means has been the subject of a book, but all those that have, Collie apart, I have managed to acquire over the years, and plenty who didn't quite scale the heights of Test level as well - this is why my marriages go west

That's really cool. I have the start of a substantial collection, cricket books being a passion of mine. Have obtained a few new ones lately, Herb Sutcliffe, Kepler Wessels, Imran, Viv and Lara from garage sales etc.

My wife is surprisingly tolerant of this, at this stage.

How many biographies would you have all together?

 

[uvelocity]

fred please tell me you didnt buy parabatsmen: i'll get the gatorade by d.murphy

 

[fredfertang]

fred please tell me you didnt buy parabatsmen: i'll get the gatorade by d.murphy

I ghosted that for him, so have the original parchment manuscript

 

[archie mac]

Modest and understated as usual - our Archie . . . more in the mould of Archie Jackson than Archie Maclaren I would say

While on cricket books and writers I find that there have been some really under-rated yet superb writers on the game from its players.

Johnny Moyes who played for Southern Australia and Victoria from 1912-13 to 1920-21 may have had the first world war (1914-1919) cut out most of his cricketing years but it is a pleasure to read his books on the game. Having watched the game from the first decade of the 20th century till his death in the early sixties, he wrote with the authority on the game. His books are amongst my late acquisitions which is again due to his not being so well known and yet they are amongst those I have revisited over the years.

An English cricketer who is similarly not known for his writing is one modern fans do not also recognise as one of the finest leg spin bowlers to come from England and in the mould of the greats Barnes and O'Reilly - Ian Peebles. Being an 'unorthodox' (for want of a more suitable word) leg spinner who did not flight the ball but propelled it from a vertical bowling arm at a very brisk medium pace, Peebles may not have pleased the traditionalists of the 20's plus he had Freeman to contend with still ha managed to play 13 Tests for England between 1927-28 and 1931 taking 45 wickets at 30.9 each. Not figures to be scoffed at although by all accounts he was a far better bowler than those figures may suggest. He also took a small matter of 923 FC wickets at 20.4 apiece between 1927-28 and 1948.

He was also a far better writer than most people seem to know. Read them if you get a chance, particularly Johnny Moyes' Century of Cricketers, Australian Bowlers and The Changing Face of Cricket

Talking of cricket writing. It is interesting to see who are the most written about cricketers. WG and Bradman easily head any such list. It looks as if the Don has now over taken the Doc now but the third is line, whoever it may be, is far from these two legends.

I was making a list of pen portraits of different cricketers in my library and it is interesting to see who heads the lists. Here are the top five with the number of articles on each in my library- a couple of surprises here I bet

1. Bradman ; 30
2. Jack Hobbs : 25
3. Woolley : 21
4. WG/Miller : 17

The others with at least ten articles are

• Trumper/Hammond : 16
• Sobers : 15
• Barnes SF : 14
• Ranji/Hutton/Lindwall : 13
• Larwood/Boycott : 12
• O'Reilly : 11
• Spofforth/Fry/Grimmett/Constantine/G Headley/Bedser/Trueman/Laker/Lillee : 10 each

That's some list of all time greats. Add the top two wicket keepers from my library - Duckworth and Evans) and you have two fabulous squads. If you find the sides a bit bowling heavy you could take the next two keepers who are both top batsmen in their own rights, Walcott and Ames.

I mention these names also as an indicator of the players that cricket writers over the last century have felt need to be written about and clearly must be hold in very high esteem indeed.

Of course, the amount of literature piles up over time so the current greats will take much longer to reach these figures but they will eventually. Lillee is the most recent Test cricketer in that list I think. But we will have the Richards, the Tendulkars and the Lara's in the libraries of the young fans of today when they are older

A billion books will be written on Tendulkar.

Being a very sad man I collect cricketing biographies and autobiographies, and it is a demonstration of just how sad I am that aside from a few recent ones that I haven't yet picked up, there is only one player whose biography I don't have (and bloody irritating it is too!)

And I don't just limit that to one - I aim to get every book about every player, with, to stop absolute silliness, just four exceptions,

Bradman
Grace
Botham
Tendulkar

Good stuff here, loved reading all of this. I think STR and Warne will rush up the list in the coming years and who knows there may be a cricketer yet to make his debut that will pass them all

Peebles and Johnny Moyes are two very good writers, glad to see them mentioned here. Moyes is a bit of a Bradman fan and friend. It would have been great for cricket writing if they had a falling out. Moyes may have given us real insight to DGB. But as JM was such a gentleman he most likely would have kept it all to himself

The other one I would like to add is Percy Fender, the tour books he wrote were so far ahead of there time. He gives balls faced as a stat years before anyone considered them important (time was considered the best measurement) his insight to the play and tactics of the captains is as good as any I have ever read

 

[stumpski]

I have Ian Peebles' autobiography somewhere. There isn't much controversy in it - he was very much an establishment figure, MCC committees and so on - but, for the time, he was quite revealing about his private life.