ohnoitsyou
International Regular
hmm i wonder who we will turn to when we need a breakthough wicket and BMC is injured 
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BeeGee
International Captain
You don't?
He's a member of the Hesson boys club. The vice captaincy is his 30 pieces of silver.
Binkley
U19 Captain
I can't see Southee being the type to back-stab people or join a clique. I have never met him, but my family knows his and they are pretty typical farmers. A bit blunt and opinionated, but if they are unhappy they will tell you that to your face. If Tim is like the rest of his clan then he was probably fairly open with any unhappiness about Ross' captaincy, but I doubt he would have plotted to get rid of him.You don't?
He's a member of the Hesson boys club. The vice captaincy is his 30 pieces of silver.
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the players themselves didn't have much to do with Ross' knifing at all. Hesson seemed pretty set on getting rid of Taylor from day one.
BeeGee
International Captain
Yeah, look, I'm being deliberately blunt and over the top in my criticism because I'm extremely angry at what has happened and what is going to continue to happen for the foreseeable future.
It wasn't long ago that Southee was carrying on with a lady on an airliner in such a way as to cause fellow passengers to complain and for Southee to be censured by Taylor. Does that sound like potential captain material? Why is Southee suddenly a better vice captain candidate than Williamson? Why is NcCullum suddenly a vice captain candidate for the LO team?
It's Turner and Germon all over again. Only worse.
Binkley
U19 Captain
I'm angry too. The whole saga has been a fiasco from start to finish, and one that could easily have been avoided if we had anyone in the management, governance or coaching level with even an ounce of common sense and decency.
I also agree that there are plenty of players who stand in front of Southee in the queue for captaincy. Like the guy who has captained the national team before (Williamson). And anyone else who has actually captained a FC team at least once in their career.
Blain
U19 Captain
I bet ya Southee hasn't captained a team for a long time. Probably not at all.
Hesson has a thing in his head about the captain being a well like guy off the field imo. A captain should be respected and lead at the front, on the field. Just because the guys like Tim Southee, doesn't make him a captain. Williamson is easily the next cab of the rank, but he probably spends to much time in the nets and not enough time on the piss for Hesson's liking.
Hesson has a thing in his head about the captain being a well like guy off the field imo. A captain should be respected and lead at the front, on the field. Just because the guys like Tim Southee, doesn't make him a captain. Williamson is easily the next cab of the rank, but he probably spends to much time in the nets and not enough time on the piss for Hesson's liking.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
It all makes sense now - captaincy in the blackcaps is decided by playing beer pong
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
regardless of whether he makes a good captain or not, he's in the form of his life. Legitimate claim to being one of the form fast bowlers in the world right now and they want to complicate that?
TBH I wouldn't be doing anything at all that might compromise his aggression.
If that means him getting angry when Taylor tells him to not bowl ****, well I'm not sure why you'd want to challenge that formula after the recent few months.
TBH I wouldn't be doing anything at all that might compromise his aggression.
If that means him getting angry when Taylor tells him to not bowl ****, well I'm not sure why you'd want to challenge that formula after the recent few months.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Is it confirmed that Southee is the vc for the test side, or is this still a rumour? If true, then that is just bizarre. Williamson was captain of the u19's (a side which featured several current BC's), of ND (a side which featured several current BC's) and briefly the NZ ODI side. I don't buy it being because Williamson's place in the side is uncertain. He just scored a 100 in his last match and has performed better than any other New Zealand number 3 since Fleming (not saying much, but it still counts). Even if his number 3 spot were in question (which it can't be any time soon, given the lack of viable replacements), Williamson would be more likely to drop down the order rather than drop out of the side altogether.
Bowlers almost never make good captains, and I've seen nothing from Southee in his career to date to suggest that he'd be likely to buck that trend. Maybe Hesson legitimately believes that Southee is captaincy material, but if this is true, it's very hard to see it as anything other than a calculated powerplay to entrench McCullum's position by filling the vc role with a supporter of his.
Ugh.
Bowlers almost never make good captains, and I've seen nothing from Southee in his career to date to suggest that he'd be likely to buck that trend. Maybe Hesson legitimately believes that Southee is captaincy material, but if this is true, it's very hard to see it as anything other than a calculated powerplay to entrench McCullum's position by filling the vc role with a supporter of his.
Ugh.
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Binkley
U19 Captain
Just rumour. NZ Cricket have come out and said they don't know where the rumour came from and that it isn't true. Of course, they are about as trustworthy as Chris Martin's forward defense - so it could actually be true.
Black Caps Vice Captain: No Decision Yet | Stuff.co.nz
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
But we want to get angry at NZC!
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Phew, that makes me feel slightly better for the moment. But given that Hesson is the man who'll choose the vc, I guess we'll have to keep our fingers crossed a while longer.
jcas0167
International Debutant
Also filled in as captain for Gloucestershire aged 20 when Gidman was injured.
BBC Sport - Gloucestershire captain Gidman faces spell on sidelines
sonnench
U19 12th Man
On holiday atm, so i'll be following it on cricinfo if i'm up. Wish they would televise the game, should be pretty close imo.
Was hoping Supersport would show it as I found a way to watch their stuff online, however it doesn't seem that they are.
Mike5181
International Captain
First innings maybe.
Zinzan
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Agree entirely. This was my reaction as well. Good thing it has been confirmed as a rumour.
Incidentally, what are peoples thoughts on how the captaincy will affect McCullum's batting? I can't help think it will stifle his natural game which I'm not sure will be a good thing.