vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Said this in March, don't see any reason to change it now.
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Is KP an ATG Test Batsman?
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
To me all-time great means you can make the shortlist for consideration in an all-time XI greatest team ever. So KP is far from that...
Jager
International Debutant
We did have one, hold up...
http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/57322-defining-acronym-atg.html
don't think we concluded on anything from memory though
Jager
International Debutant
A pretty respected panel from Cricinfo seem to think otherwise All-time XI | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Fair enough, that's their opinion, mine differs. I would just like him to figure in the top 5 current batsmen in the world, I don't think he does. Nor did Gower or Thorpe.
People are always going to be biased towards people they've seen play, Underwood over Laker was a strange call too.
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grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, Compton had everything KP had too, charisma, counter-attacking ability, ability to change matches. An odd choice, maybe they though KP would kick-on more. About the same average now as then though.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Meaty in the middle | All-time XIs | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo
There's the contenders for that England all time XI middle order^
Hammond, Woolley, Cowdrey, Dexter, Pieterson, Barrington, Jackson, May, Gower, Compton.
Hammond, Barrington and Pieterson made it to the middle order, with Botham at 6.
It never seemed right to me, but I don't know much about English cricket really.
There's the contenders for that England all time XI middle order^
Hammond, Woolley, Cowdrey, Dexter, Pieterson, Barrington, Jackson, May, Gower, Compton.
Hammond, Barrington and Pieterson made it to the middle order, with Botham at 6.
It never seemed right to me, but I don't know much about English cricket really.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well, it's not that illustrious a list TBH, but Compton better IMHO. GIMH can go on about KPs terrible three years, but ya know Compton and May would have missed out on game time because of the biggest conflict known to man. Doesn't compare to KPs travails obviously.
Cabinet96
Hall of Fame Member
It's a tough one. Maybe not yet. But a couple more years averaging 50 in test cricket will do him no harm.
He's the sort of person who can cope with a raise in standard as well IMO. We saw what he did to Steyn last week, in fact that was the most runs an individual batsmen had ever hit off Steyn, he did quite well against Australia in their pomp and has had success against Warne and Murali.
NasserFan207
International Vice-Captain
The Gooch
deathmonger
Banned
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Indeed, it's been a bit depressing, and only Both for the first 6 years or so. Underwood was close though too, possibly the best spinner of his time? Some Indians might contest I suppose.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Underwood is close, yeah. I'd probably consider him an ATG spinner but not an ATG bowler, although I'm weird with that.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Haha now come on, way to overanalyse what I said. Simply a case that had he not made his own life so difficult he would have done more. I did not use this to put others down.
To put it more simply, KP has the ability to achieve more than he has but, as vic said, has not kicked on in the way he threatened to at times.