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benchmark00

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It's crazy how much more credit Swann gets than what he deserves. He tried to spin that ball that went straight on as much as the one prior, just didn't get the seam right. Then everyone goes crazy about how good of a ball it was.


He has a 'UFO' ball which is designed to slide on more, but so does pretty much every off spin bowler ever, and that ball he bowled wasn't it.
 
vic_orthdox

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benchmark00 said:
It's crazy how much more credit Swann gets than what he deserves. He tried to spin that ball that went straight on as much as the one prior, just didn't get the seam right. Then everyone goes crazy about how good of a ball it was.


He has a 'UFO' ball which is designed to slide on more, but so does pretty much every off spin bowler ever, and that ball he bowled wasn't it.
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He's just undercutting a heap of them at the moment, not getting that bit of dip that allows him to drag the batsman forward.
 
Scaly piscine

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5 fer... oh wrong game sorry.

Swann's form is certainly a concern. The thing is with virtually every orthodox finger spinner over the past 10-15 years they'd tended to struggle a lot more once they get to the 100/150 wicket mark. Teams seem to develop better plans against them. Not sure how much is Swann and how much is that phenomenon.
 
Jacknife

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Don't know when he's going to fit in but I reckon he's going to have that operation done sooner rather than later, he's been noticeably less effective since it's flared up.

4 maidens in a row mind, doing his job atm.
 
MW1304

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His bowling has certainly regressed a bit. Isn't putting as much into the ball, no idea if its his elbow problem or not, but that affects turn, drift, dip, basically all of his craft. He'll always trouble left handers though, even when he's like this, just give him time.
 
Prince EWS

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Scaly piscine said:
5 fer... oh wrong game sorry.

Swann's form is certainly a concern. The thing is with virtually every orthodox finger spinner over the past 10-15 years they'd tended to struggle a lot more once they get to the 100/150 wicket mark. Teams seem to develop better plans against them. Not sure how much is Swann and how much is that phenomenon.
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It's definitely at least partly Swann. It'd be obvious even if you were cut off from the footage right before each ball pitched that he's not bowling anywhere near his best. He's not pivoting properly which means he's not getting through his action and therefore putting less work on the ball overall, and his release is terrible. He's always had a deliberate undercutter that he uses as a skiddy straight-on-er but the difference between the seam of that delivery and the seam of his off break has become almost nothing. As a result he's bowling - as Jack said - undercutters every ball with virtually no overspin/drop. And those are the good balls; when he gets it wrong the seam scrambles completely.

I do think he started to become slightly less effective before he started actually bowling worse, if you like, but there's no question that what he's sending down is a long way from what he was sending year a year or so ago.
 
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