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***Official*** Australia in England 2012
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vic_orthdox
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With Warner and Watson, we have an opening partnership that is well suited to flat, subcontinent conditions but not so much in England. Probably get away with it in Australia.
Again, playing spin, no-one looks to have the ability to milk the bowling like we used to see from Ponting, Clarke, M. Hussey, Symonds, etc. T20 has seen an increase in the ability of the batsmen to hit long off spinners, but less of an emphasis on rotation. It was something that I saw a lot of amongst English batsmen in the past couple of years, and has become another issue with us as well.
Again, playing spin, no-one looks to have the ability to milk the bowling like we used to see from Ponting, Clarke, M. Hussey, Symonds, etc. T20 has seen an increase in the ability of the batsmen to hit long off spinners, but less of an emphasis on rotation. It was something that I saw a lot of amongst English batsmen in the past couple of years, and has become another issue with us as well.
flibbertyjibber
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KP will go till he gets 10000 test runs. Ego and all that.
Root and Taylor long term.
benchmark00
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Nah that is such a misquote.
Holding said "He's not someone I would put my lunch, breakfast or dinner down to watch"
No Corn flakes were mentioned.
vic_orthdox
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But he'd ignore brunch?
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He went on to say that he wouldn't mind watching him whilst snacking throughout the day.
Spikey
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Good cause I hate corn flakes
Furball
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Wrong.
benchmark00
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No you're wrong, I was listening to it at the time and that's what he said, though the order may have been mixed.
Furball
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No, he was asked what he thought of Pattinson and he said he looks ok, has a nice smooth action but he wouldn't put down his cornflakes to watch him.
The breakfast lunch and dinner quote was Holding talking about seeing Ian Bishop and Brett Lee bowling for the first time.
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Wrong wrong wrong.
He was asked about Pattinson, and he said 'at the moment I wouldnt put down my lunch, breakfast or dinner to watch him, like I would for Brett Lee'
He was asked about Pattinson, and he said 'at the moment I wouldnt put down my lunch, breakfast or dinner to watch him, like I would for Brett Lee'
pup11
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From an Australian context again not playing enough spin at the domestic level is the major reason for that, however I think Smith is a pretty good player of spin, he uses his feet well against spin and places the ball all around the ground almost in a similar way to Bevan, its just that we just haven't used him properly either as a bowler or a batsman.
If Clarke is not willing to move to #3 in ODI's then either Hughes or Smith need to be given a good run at that position, the ODI side badly needs a makeover and introducing young players with good pedigree is one way to turn the tide around.
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Fair enough to say conservative Shield captaincy has contributed too? Why worry about milking spinners when captains will yank them out of the attack at the first sign of trouble?
vic_orthdox
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Not massively, because spinners haven't really been all that effective (especially in the longer stuff) because batsmen are good enough to defend it when they have to, and then to hit boundaries from big shots, or balls that they wouldn't get from international bowlers. It's just how batsmen are programmed to play; get the long on and long off back and then hit the ball down the ground for singles, but on wickets that provide a bit at one day level like you see in the subcontinent and England, it doesn't work like that.
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Son Of Coco
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He also apparently said either "The first time I saw Mitchell Johnson bowl I lost my breakfast", or "The first time I saw Mitchell Johnson bowl it looked like a dog's breakfast".