**Official** West Indies in England 2012

[uvelocity]

Did anyone see Atherton interview the umpires about the light decision on day four? Jeez I thought it was a terrible interview, havig an unrestrained shot at the umpires the way he did.

All these pricks retire and want the players out on the field, yet were happy to take the light when offered it themselves. Suppose it's different when it isn't their career on the line.

had it on in the background, but tony hill saying he's sure the cricketers would love to see spectators face up to tino best in the near dark was a pretty poor argument too. And the fact remains that the dramas around bad light are hurting the entertainment aspect of the sport, and has been handled super poorly (countless examples, WC final 07 shortlisted most farcical)

 

[Burgey]

had it on in the background, but tony hill saying he's sure the cricketers would love to see spectators face up to tino best in the near dark was a pretty poor argument too. And the fact remains that the dramas around bad light are hurting the entertainment aspect of the sport, and has been handled super poorly (countless examples, WC final 07 shortlisted most farcical)

But the problem with that isn't with the umpires. If they have a light level at which they are mandated to get off the field, they have to get off the field.

 

[uvelocity]

the old way could have used some tweaking perhaps, but at least the captains had the option of carrying on

 

[Burgey]

For sure. I'd imagine on day four both sides would have wanted to carry on.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Ramdin gets fined for a piece of paper

I can understand why some would consider it to be pretty toolish behaviour, but no way should it be worthy of official action.

 

[fredfertang]

Ramdin gets fined for a piece of paper

I can understand why some would consider it to be pretty toolish behaviour, but no way should it be worthy of official action.

Got every sympathy with Ramdin, but he shouldn't have dealt with it in that way, which is akin to having a pop at the oppo - it was neither the time or the place.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

But sportspeople take verbal pot shots at each other all the time, and usually get let off because it's all part of the package.

 

[uvelocity]

nah poor look, deserved a fine. especially considering who it was aimed at.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

Did anyone see Atherton interview the umpires about the light decision on day four? Jeez I thought it was a terrible interview, havig an unrestrained shot at the umpires the way he did.

All these pricks retire and want the players out on the field, yet were happy to take the light when offered it themselves. Suppose it's different when it isn't their career on the line.

Botham being the biggest example.

If he'd have been playing on Sunday you'd have needed a team of shire horses to drag him off the couch and on to the field in that light - and he'd have had a face like a slapped arse if you managed it. Hussain would also be off like a startled rabbit every chance he got from what I recall.

One umpire said he had difficulty sighting a couple of Best's deliveries from square leg.

If the light was bad enough in a Club match that I was struggling to see a seamers delivery in that situation I'd think about taking them off. It not a question of danger anymore - it's a question of fairness for both batsmen and fielders.


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Re Narine:

I can't help thinking that an England bowler who performed like that on debut would be widely castigated - and you'd probably have people on here saying he should never be picked again. You wouldn't have had all these excuses - which contrast widely with the certainty I'd heard in some quarters that he'd run through England and if he'd played the whole series it would have had a vastly different result

The batsmen were picking him off with ease - the only 'chance' he got came when Bell sent one from the middle of the bat on to short square leg's left ankle.

I don't bother with the IPL so was interested to see this 'mystery' spinner.

The only 'mystery' that came to mind was the mystery of all the hype.

 

[Manee]

People were bigging Narine up because England struggled against spin over the winter, and ignored the fact that visiting spinners to England, unless they're named Warne or Murali, get belted.

No! You cannot take the intellectual high ground after half an innings!

 

[Spark]

Yeah no he bowled 15 overs in one innings on a pitch offering ****-all. Anyone seriously judging him from that is being collosally daft.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

Yeah no he bowled 15 overs in one innings on a pitch offering ****-all. Anyone seriously judging him from that is being collosally daft.

As is anyone judging him on what he did in the swish and giggle.

But many were

 

[Spark]

They judged him based on the basics of bowling - most specifically, an off break that turns and bounces.

Which he has.

 

[uvelocity]

I can't help thinking that an England bowler who performed like that on debut would be widely castigated - and you'd probably have people on here saying he should never be picked again. You wouldn't have had all these excuses - which contrast widely with the certainty I'd heard in some quarters that he'd run through England and if he'd played the whole series it would have had a vastly different result

good point well put

e: actually you probably would have excuses too

 

[Biryani Pillow]

They judged him based on the basics of bowling - most specifically, an off break that turns and bounces.

Which he has.

A lot of bowlers have that on a turning pitch............

 

[Migara]

A lot of bowlers have that on a turning pitch............

Care to name few?

 

[WindieWeathers]

Re Narine:

I can't help thinking that an England bowler who performed like that on debut would be widely castigated - and you'd probably have people on here saying he should never be picked again. You wouldn't have had all these excuses - which contrast widely with the certainty I'd heard in some quarters that he'd run through England and if he'd played the whole series it would have had a vastly different result

The batsmen were picking him off with ease - the only 'chance' he got came when Bell sent one from the middle of the bat on to short square leg's left ankle.

I don't bother with the IPL so was interested to see this 'mystery' spinner.

The only 'mystery' that came to mind was the mystery of all the hype.

Well i've already outlined the circumstances of which he had to bowl in , no warm up match, hadn't played a four day game since Febuary, was rushed from Trinidad to play at the last minuet, his hands were cold and had to make his debut on a road that "the best spinner in the world" Graeme Swann was unable to take a wicket on, anyone looking at that with open eyes could see it was a tough ask,

As for excuses, well the english media are spewing that out left, right and centre where Bairstow is concerned!!..Bumble even claimed he was the "next Pieterson" yesterday!! .

Lastly regarding the chance, he totally fooled Bell and forced an edge straight into Barath's hands but it popped out again, a tough chance but a better fielder would have got that imo.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I see Comical Ali is still alive and kicking then.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

Well i've already outlined the circumstances of which he had to bowl in , no warm up match, hadn't played a four day game since Febuary, was rushed from Trinidad to play at the last minuet, his hands were cold and had to make his debut on a road that "the best spinner in the world" Graeme Swann was unable to take a wicket on, anyone looking at that with open eyes could see it was a tough ask,

As for excuses, well the english media are spewing that out left, right and centre where Bairstow is concerned!!..Bumble even claimed he was the "next Pieterson" yesterday!! .

Lastly regarding the chance, he totally fooled Bell and forced an edge straight into Barath's hands but it popped out again, a tough chance but a better fielder would have got that imo.

An English player would not have been given any leeway.

I haven't seen many (actually any) in the English press making excuses for Bairstoww - if anything they've overeacted.

"Totally fooled Bell"

The ball turned slowly, Bell whipped it off the middle of the bat and it hit Barath just above the left boot. He did well to get a hand near it.

Didn't look fooled to me.

 

[Jacknife]

I see Comical Ali is still alive and kicking then.