Kevin Pietersen Retires From ODIs and T20Is

[Furball]

Talks well too; was on Cricket Writers on TV last week with Hayter from the Mail & Wilde from the Times. James looking more and more like Douglas Adams as well.

Couple of interesting tidbits I noted from the excert:

1) KP supports the Springboks

2) When offered the captaincy Strauss suggested someone younger might be a better call.

Says everything about the two men's respective characters, IMHO.

Don't think it says anything about KP to be honest.I'm assuming his father was into rugby, of course he's going to support the Boks.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Don't think it says anything about KP to be honest.I'm assuming his father was into rugby, of course he's going to support the Boks.

It says he's what we all know in our heart of hearts: a South African hired gun.

Plus I don't think it follows that one takes one's cue from one's father. My old man was into football and he supported Man U. Suffice to say I don't.

 

[GIMH]

Followed his Mother's nationality in football though. I don't think it makes any difference to anything tbh.

 

[Uppercut]

I've been pretty surprised at how unpopular this decision is, given how the cricketing establishment typically fetishises tests above all else. Can't help but think it'd go down so much better if Bell or Cook decided to do the same.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I've been pretty surprised at how unpopular this decision is, given how the cricketing establishment typically fetishises tests above all else. Can't help but think it'd go down so much better if Bell or Cook decided to do the same.

I'd be disappointed if Cook did it too, now he's finally showing something like form in the shorter formats. Well, format in his case, I suppose.

Bell tho I wouldn't mind, mainly because he's not a great one day batsman.

I think why Pietersen's decision is proving so unpopular is threefold:

1) He's a gun ODI/T20 player
2) The timing
3) He's carrying on in the IPL

 

[Uppercut]

Followed his Mother's nationality in football though. I don't think it makes any difference to anything tbh.

I think you're in a minority, though. There's a strange relationship between the public and a non-English sportsman playing for England. It feels wrong to hold his nationality against him, but nationalist sentiment is the reason a lot of people support England in the first place. And his personality is so, so un-English, I'd say he's the type of person English people generally hate.

 

[Jacknife]

I think you're in a minority, though. There's a strange relationship between the public and a non-English sportsman playing for England. It feels wrong to hold his nationality against him, but nationalist sentiment is the reason a lot of people support England in the first place. And his personality is so, so un-English, I'd say he's the type of person English people generally hate.

Says more about English people then in that case, or the ones that don't like him are particularly more vocal than the rest. When you watch England play live, the feeling you get from the crowd is that he's generally very well liked, you do hear a couple of stupid remarks but they're generally in the minority in my experience.

 

[GIMH]

I think you're in a minority, though. There's a strange relationship between the public and a non-English sportsman playing for England. It feels wrong to hold his nationality against him, but nationalist sentiment is the reason a lot of people support England in the first place. And his personality is so, so un-English, I'd say he's the type of person English people generally hate.

No doubt about that.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Hey hey hey, lets not make it out like hating Pietersen is an English-only thing...

 

[Furball]

It says he's what we all know in our heart of hearts: a South African hired gun.

Plus I don't think it follows that one takes one's cue from one's father. My old man was into football and he supported Man U. Suffice to say I don't.

It doesn't always, but if his father was into rugby and his mother wasn't then I don't think it would be a massive leap to assume Puetersen got his love for the Boks from his father.

 

[Viscount Tom]

Personally I don't think this is a big deal him supporting the Boks, he lived there til he was about 18 I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Trott felt the same.

 

[uvelocity]

pretend poms in allegiance shocker

 

[BoyBrumby]

I think you're in a minority, though. There's a strange relationship between the public and a non-English sportsman playing for England. It feels wrong to hold his nationality against him, but nationalist sentiment is the reason a lot of people support England in the first place. And his personality is so, so un-English, I'd say he's the type of person English people generally hate.

"Nationalist sentiment" sounds faintly dodgy; I prefer to call it a tribal loyalty.

Anyway, I don't think it's his foreigness that's held against Pietersen so much as his personality. His self-belief doesn't seem terribly English, admittedly, but John Terry has a similarly iron-clad lack of self-doubt (with, one might suggest, far less justification) and he's as Albion as John Bull. & Everyone outside of Chelsea fans hates him too.

 

[Furball]

"Nationalist sentiment" sounds faintly dodgy; I prefer to call it a tribal loyalty.

Anyway, I don't think it's his foreigness that's held against Pietersen so much as his personality. His self-belief doesn't seem terribly English.

Which means that inadvertently it is his foreignness that's held against him.

 

[Garson007]

KP has been open about supporting the Boks. Said it in his own book but said as a kid he always supported England in footy.

Basically he's a glory-hunter.

 

[Furball]

Basically he's a glory-hunter.

How can he be, he supports South Africa.

 

[weeman27bob]

How can he be, he supports South Africa.

Tournaments won by the Springboks since Pietersen was born: 2 world cups and 3 tri-nations.

Tournaments won by the English football team since Pietersen was born: -

 

[GIMH]

Tournaments won by the Springboks since Pietersen was born: 2 world cups and 3 tri-nations.

Tournaments won by the English football team since Pietersen was born: -

Le Tournoi de France 97 IIRC

 

[grecian]

Hey hey hey, lets not make it out like hating Pietersen is an English-only thing...

Yep, I'm sure Gimp wrote a wrong article about that once before, just re-treading ground.

 

[GIMH]

Was right FTR