So the ICC evidence is finally in - and apparently even Glen McGrath chucks...

[honestbharani]

except he never straightened his arm from a flexed position. any "straightening" is coming from hyperextension

dude, you just have no idea on what you are talking about. Please, do as a favor and stop.

 

[honestbharani]

If you read the link I posted earlier about the biomechanics of illegal bowling actions, you could consider that the current test is doing it wrong.

imo you can't put 99% of all bowlers ever, in the same basket as the Ajmal variations. The study shows a theory why. You can bowl with a chucking action within the 15%.

You do understand that this word "chucking/throwing" has a completely arbitrary definition for cricket. No one ever had to prove anything. They could just as well tell us that we do not count the elbow angle and we simply take the shoulder angle for chucking, and that would be that. I am not sure of any laws that specifically mention the elbow angles.

 

[honestbharani]

it's pretty funny how bitter subcontinentals are over this stuff.

Please, for the last time, look up the word hyperextension. Look up on how many people have it. Look up the word "flex". You can flex it off a straight position or you can straighten it off a bent position, as long as the angle is within 15 degrees, you are good. It is as simple as that. Please don't post **** posts like the ones on McGrath. He ALWAYS bent his arm while bowling.

 

[Prince EWS]

it's pretty funny how bitter subcontinentals are over this stuff.

Before anyone thinks about taking this bait - don't. The mods have got it; just leave it.

 

[a spambot]

nope.

 

[honestbharani]

same definition that was followed for 100 years by people twice as smart as you and worked fine until you know who came along

Personal attacks..

 

[a spambot]

Personal attacks..

you did the same thing mate. but if you feel you know more than bradman and his ilk then whatever

 

[honestbharani]

The thing is, why would you coach it out of a kid if it turns out that he is actually bowling within the limits, and it turns out it's just because of his arm/elbow or something?

Also, a young talented kid probably wouldn't be sent for testing, he just wouldn't get picked in representative sides, or you just grin and bear it. Only if he were an outstanding junior, looking like he was going to be in the top 5/6 kids in the state, would they send him away for some testing to see if his action was illegal.

But Jack, is this the ONLY thing that players get away with at the club level? In my opinion, there are a number of things players get away with at that level because they never play at a higher level and this is just one of them.

 

[honestbharani]

you did the same thing mate. but if you feel you know more than bradman and his ilk then whatever

I played your post, buddy.. I think whatever you suggested in those posts were stupid, not that you were. If I thought you were, why would I bother arguing with you?

 

[Son Of Coco]

Then check everybody FFS. ONLY checking people when their action doesn't please you is just bollocks.

So you're saying we haven't checked everyone!?

This 99.9% of bowlers chuck thing must be a bit of a fallacy then.

 

[Son Of Coco]

, I don't see any 'unfair' advantage to spinners.

It spins more It spins more It spins more It spins more It spins more etc

 

[honestbharani]

It spins more It spins more It spins more It spins more It spins more etc

Bending ur elbow at point of delivery helps you hurl down the ball faster too.. That is not an unfair advantage?

 

[Lostman]

Make all bowlers wear a brace, with a given angle of tolerance.
This is the only way to stop chucking in match conditions, might see a few 500 scores in ODI's for the first couple of years though...

 

[ankitj]

It spins more It spins more It spins more It spins more It spins more etc

I mean unfair in the sense of being almost unethical in the context of the game. Bowling wides to deny scoring opportunities is almost unethical, hence penalised.

Don't hurt yourself just because someone holds an unorthodox view

BTW who other than me finds Murali's action beautiful and mesmerising?

 

[Migara]

Are we talking about Spambot or Cevno?

I thought it was bleeding obvious

 

[Uppercut]

BTW who other than me finds Murali's action beautiful and mesmerising?

I love it, personally. He's spinning the ball properly hard in both directions with almost no discernible change in action, and landing it on a sixpence every time. It's phenomenal to watch.

 

[Migara]

So you're saying we haven't checked everyone!?

This 99.9% of bowlers chuck thing must be a bit of a fallacy then.

 

[honestbharani]

i'm sorry mate but it's just common sense.

this isn't chucking. this was never chucking,not even under the old rules. the rule was no straightening of the arm from a flexed position. guess what? mcgrath never straightened his arm from a flexed position. the perfect bowling arm.

you do understand that flexing the elbow from a straight position is chucking too? Or you just passing by such facts as they don't help your argument?

 

[honestbharani]

I'm a bit disappointed you can't be bothered to open your mind, Migara. Here's a tidbit from what you haven't been bothered to read;

But why exactly is it bad to be allowing this? The definition has always been that if you straighten your arm from bent position or you bend your arm from a straight position, you are chucking. They then did all these tests and figured out everyone is doing one or the other and set a limit of 15 degrees as the maximum allowable flex, either way. Why exactly is the type of action described there suddenly termed as unfair and illegal?

 

[honestbharani]

a working pair of eyes

does that work when you have to read stuff too, or is it just when watching McGrath and Ajmal bowl?