Australian Domestic Season 2011-12

[Redbacks]

Absolute get out of jail for SA this game. Not many players on the SA side come out with any credit. SA suffering from next **** syndrome, m'thinks. Bit rudder-less.

The usual batting collapse in the first innings.

Putland ended up with decent match figures which is a positive.

 

[Noble One]

How about the game from Coulter-Nile? Still prone to losing the plot for a couple of deliveries every over, however that bowling average is sitting in very good territory.

Early season is always a good time to be showing form.

 

[Spark]

Kat's just whinging like a bitch now. Real shame, I expected better of him. Even if it was true, and as noted 4 actual selectors were involved and Kat wouldn't really have any ****ing idea what Clarke may or may not have discussed with them, you don't do yourself any favours going the bitch and moan route. He's taken wickets and made runs and so put a bit of pressure on the new selectors to have a look at him if an opportunity arose, but now he's as good as retired himself. No selector is going to think, "yeah lets pick the guy who's going to undermine the captain" no matter how many runs he's making or wickets he's taking.

Quite so. No one will want to touch him with a barge pole now, even if Clarke does get dropped/sacked. You just don't undermine the national captain like that.

 

[Spikey]

really hope clarke just goes crazy at the press conference. none of this no comment ****

 

[Spark]

really hope clarke just goes crazy at the press conference. none of this no comment ****

did you see how he dealt with the bingle affair?

he won't. he'll go into firefighting mode and probably do it fairly well.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Seems to be rather bizarre timing from Katich, he should have waited until after the new selectors had named a team, squad or whatever.

He could have really piled on the pressure if he'd waited. With Watson bowling more and there being murmurings of him dropping down to 6, along with the continued failure of the replacement opener. There would then have been a common factor in his omission - Clarke - whilst the rest of the personnel had been shuffled around. He may have been recalled anyway. Katich has instead given them an excuse to omit him and has alienated a lot of his support. Politically he's really bollocksed things up.

 

[Top_Cat]

Really can't see how Katich was ever going to play Tests again, tbh. They made such a show of saying they were moving forward with the new lot and that they were going to take time to develop, even in the face of some poor series', just can't see it.

Kat's just having a bit of an outburst, possibly emboldened by the support he got after his last press conference. All of the murmurs of timing, politics, etc. mean little when, basically, he's just having a spit. Non-event and Clarke's best defence would be to play a straight bat to any questions I reckon. Katich gets his whinge, Clarke looks like a statesman, everybody wins. If Clarke has a go, watch as public sentiment turns.

 

[Spikey]

i dunno know. he is the form spinner

 

[Jarquis]

Katman > the entirety of CA

 

[Scaly piscine]

From the outside I could have easily seen Katich getting back in. The obvious thing is to shift Watson down the order and that then makes it the straight-forward option to bring in Katich, that's the most face-saving way of doing it as well. A fit Katich would still be one of the most threatening (batting) prospects for when England next re-retain the Ashes. The other would be Watson, but you know he'll generally implode after he's done some damage - but his sort of consistent 50s at a quick rate are a good contribution for a number 6 or wherever he'd move to.

New selectors are bound to have different ideas to the old ones. They may even go out of their way to try and differentiate themselves from the old selectors, meaning somewhat different selections.

 

[Andre]

From the outside I could have easily seen Katich getting back in. The obvious thing is to shift Watson down the order and that then makes it the straight-forward option to bring in Katich, that's the most face-saving way of doing it as well. A fit Katich would still be one of the most threatening (batting) prospects for when England next re-retain the Ashes. The other would be Watson, but you know he'll generally implode after he's done some damage - but his sort of consistent 50s at a quick rate are a good contribution for a number 6 or wherever he'd move to.

New selectors are bound to have different ideas to the old ones. They may even go out of their way to try and differentiate themselves from the old selectors, meaning somewhat different selections.

Na, can't see it. The hard call was to leave Katich out. Right or wrong the decision is/was, it would have been a big step back to go back to him. His papers were stamped, rest assured. Once he was out of the side there was just no way back, pure and simple, selection change or not - he was the (somewhat innocent) victim of Australia trying to move on and regenerate. Public sentiment similar to just before the WC of 2003 when there was a push to bring back S Waugh - from the outside looking in it is easy enough, but from the inside it would purely and simply never have happened. Same with Katich now. The hard part was over, life goes on.

Don't have a real issue in what he said today, either to be honest. It was hardly a massive spray - just answered some questions in a manner in which he felt was honest. Personally, I reckon it would have been seriously weak if he didn't say what he was thinking and just went through the motions at the press conference after play. Plus, he knows it is all over for him anyway as an international cricketer - and for those who are saying he's being silly about Clarke, I reckon Katich himself would have a much better idea of the reasons why he's out of the side than anyone else to be honest so I'd say there is an awful lot of truth in it which should be ignored at a readers peril I suppose.

 

[Prince EWS]

I don't really see how Watson moving down the order really opens up a spot for Katich anyway; you'd still have to drop another batsman, and I reckon the selectors are pretty keen to have Ponting at 3 and Clarke at 4 if they can anyway (part of the reason there's been talking about Watson dropping down).

The only thing that could open up a spot for Katich at this point would be Hughes getting dropped, and he hit a ton in his last Test so that's not going to happen any time soon.

I agree with T_C; Katich was done as a Test player and what he says now is completely inconsequential. The timing isn't a coincidence as such - if you look at the article he was seemingly asked if he thought the change in the selection panel would make a difference to his prospects and he answered it honestly, which is a very Katich thing to do. Nothing to see here, IMO.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Na, can't see it. The hard call was to leave Katich out. Right or wrong the decision is/was, it would have been a big step back to go back to him. His papers were stamped, rest assured. Once he was out of the side there was just no way back, pure and simple, selection change or not - he was the (somewhat innocent) victim of Australia trying to move on and regenerate. Public sentiment similar to just before the WC of 2003 when there was a push to bring back S Waugh - from the outside looking in it is easy enough, but from the inside it would purely and simply never have happened. Same with Katich now. The hard part was over, life goes on.

Don't have a real issue in what he said today, either to be honest. It was hardly a massive spray - just answered some questions in a manner in which he felt was honest. Personally, I reckon it would have been seriously weak if he didn't say what he was thinking and just went through the motions at the press conference after play. Plus, he knows it is all over for him anyway as an international cricketer - and for those who are saying he's being silly about Clarke, I reckon Katich himself would have a much better idea of the reasons why he's out of the side than anyone else to be honest so I'd say there is an awful lot of truth in it which should be ignored at a readers peril I suppose.

In 2003 you actually won stuff. There's no comparison. When you're ****e there's a very strong push from everywhere to change. Who else is going to open if Watson doesn't?

Ponting particularly is on borrowed time. He should have been ditched from Tests well over a year ago. Hussey has been average for a while, certainly not more valuable than Katich. Apart from that batsmen get injured anyway.

 

[Noble One]

I imagine that this must be one of the first opportunities that Simon Katich has been sat in front of a journalist since his infamous spray of Cricket Australia.

He has been asked the relevant questions, he responded honestly, and nothing new has really come from this. It is a shame he is not the New South Wales captain, as we probably won't hear much from Katich this season other than the 1000+ runs he scores this year.

 

[Prince EWS]

Who else is going to open if Watson doesn't?

Marsh.

 

[Ruckus]

I agree with T_C; Katich was done as a Test player and what he says now is completely inconsequential. The timing isn't a coincidence as such - if you look at the article he was seemingly asked if he thought the change in the selection panel would make a difference to his prospects and he answered it honestly, which is a very Katich thing to do. Nothing to see here, IMO.

Irrespective of whether it has consequences or not for his own career, I still think what he said isn't really necessary. It might have been lost in translation, but from what I read it seems to me as if Katich doesn't actually know for certain at all if Clarke was involved in any significant way (in the initial press conference he said the opposite). It obsviously isn't helped by the media exaggerating the headlines, but I think it's a pretty silly idea to be publicly painting the new captain of the Aust cricket team in such a negative light (even if what he said is true).

 

[Spikey]

well in the same conference he's talked about the lack of communication from selectors and how he and clarke have never talked about the incident. soooooooo he's just going off personal, 'i've been screwed over' theory

 

[Prince EWS]

Irrespective of whether it has consequences or not for his own career, I still think what he said isn't really necessary. It might have been lost in translation, but from what I read it seems to me as if Katich doesn't actually know for certain at all if Clarke was involved in any significant way (in the initial press conference he said the opposite). It obsviously isn't helped by the media exaggerating the headlines, but I think it's a pretty silly idea to be publicly painting the new captain of the Aust cricket team in such a negative light (even if what he said is true).

I don't think he gives a **** though. Nor would I in his situation.

 

[Ruckus]

I don't think he gives a **** though. Nor would I in his situation.

Katich or Clarke?

 

[Prince EWS]

Katich or Clarke?

Katich.