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Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial
- Thread starter angad
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Agent Nationaux
International Coach
So does this mean Mazhar Majeed is getting away with it, because if that bastard does, I will be furious. He is the one who needs to be thrown in jail.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
$1 billion bet ILLEGALLY on every India v Pakistan ODI match!! (Richard DJ Edwards - http://twitter.com/#!/Cricketer_RDJ) That's a lot of money on every match. No wonder these guys were fixing.
I wonder how much was bet on the Semi-Final match in WC.
I wonder how much was bet on the Semi-Final match in WC.
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Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Butt told police he had been given £2,500 in cash from Majeed 'for opening an ice cream parlour in Tooting', south London (Richard DJ Edwards - Twitter).
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
£9,500 found in Amir's room by police, including £1,500 in News of the World's £50 notes ...
£8,000 cash found in Asif's rucksack in his room - no money from News of the World. He told police it was his allowance. (Richard DJ Edwards - Twitter).
Asif is a lucky bastard, he is just getting away with everything. So far only the no-ball against him (no texts, recorded conversations, etc).
£8,000 cash found in Asif's rucksack in his room - no money from News of the World. He told police it was his allowance. (Richard DJ Edwards - Twitter).
Asif is a lucky bastard, he is just getting away with everything. So far only the no-ball against him (no texts, recorded conversations, etc).
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Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Police also found in Butt's suitcase $US 12,000, 24,300 UAE Dhirams, 26,000 Pakistani Rps, + Canadian + Aus $, + SA Rand!!!!
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Majeed named 7 fixers in Pakistan team, court hears. Butt, Asif, Amir. Plus Umar Akmal, Kamran Akmal, Wahab Riaz, Imran Farhat
Furball
Evil Scotsman
From memory Asif's no ball wasn't anywhere near as blatant as Amir's was it?
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
no, it was just over the line.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
@ Fred, If Asif is found not guilty, can he then have his 5 year ban overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Switzerland?
Furball
Evil Scotsman
What is it they're actually being charged with?
fredfertang
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I suppose he might be able to reopen it but I'm assuming they're different situations ie the Crown Court standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt, and while I don't know for sure I suspect the ICC disciplinary thing was on the balance of probabilities
fredfertang
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Conspiracy to cheat, I think
Furball
Evil Scotsman
So am I right in thinking that if the jury doesn't find enough evidence to convict Asif beyond all reasonable doubt of his charges it wouldn't necessarily impact on his conviction from the ICC?
Lostman
State Captain
The Teflon Don
fredfertang
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
That's certainly my view
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah, the ICC tribunal doesn't require the same standard of proof as a court of law. It'd be somewhat analogous to the OJ Simpson case in a way.
EDIT: Or what Fred already said on the last page.
EDIT2: Speaking of Fred, better reply to that email before I forget again.
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
Yes but if the only evidence they have against him is the no-ball (which is the only thing at the moment), then how can the ICC be sure that Butt didn't ask him to bowl a no-ball and that he was really involved. If found not guilty he could just go and use this in the CAS.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
They've already had a hearing to determine that. Whether or not he's found guilty by a court of law or not isn't really relevant to anything that happened in that hearing because they're working on two completely different standards of proof.
I understand what you're saying, but the possibility of that is not in any way new evidence; it would have been brought up at the ICC hearing and (evidently) rejected by the panel at the time. The fact that there's been a legal trial now doesn't really change anything in regards to that.