Ranking the Cricinfo All-Time XIs

[Agent Nationaux]

I would have Pakistan ahead of England.

 

[BlazeDragon]

Why am I not surprised.

Do everyone a favour and put Pakistan at no 10.

How about we all just put Pakistan at # 1 and 5 spaces before listing any other team. Would that make you happy?

 

[Agent Nationaux]

A lot of your posts go towards bashing Pakistani's. I don't mind Pakistan being placed below England (that's fair enough), but whilst everyone else has placed them above India, you seem to be the only one who has them at 6. Obviously your bias showing there. With pace bowlers like Pakistan's (I assume you think Pakistan's pace battery ranks below England's as well), we should be able to defeat the Indian team.

 

[kyear2]

Pakistan has one of, if not THE best pace attack (along with W.I), just not convinced about the batting and to a lesser extent the fielding

 

[Agent Nationaux]

So what Inzy, Miandad, etc are unreliable. I'm not saying Pak has the best batting, all I'm saying is that our team can put in a good competition and could probably beat India and maybe even England.

 

[Howe_zat]

I suspect there's a lot of people not rating England's side here because they have a lot of players from before 1990.

Pakistan have three phenomenal fast bowlers, but that's really all they have here. Even then, their pace attack is not that far ahead of England's.

England have a vastly better opening pair, a better middle order, a better spinner and a comparable pace attack. Knott is also widely accepted as one of the best keepers ever, though personally I'm not a great judge. I would imagine that a combination of the two sides would contain seven or eight England players in the eleven.

 

[kyear2]

I have Pakistan and England in the same bracket with England ahead by a hair. Remember England has a decent team as well. Hobbs, Hutton, Hammond best top 3 of any team with Barrington to follow. The bowling is more than capable with Trueman and Larwood (at his bodyline best) with Botham (also at his peak), Underwood and lets not forget Syd Barnes all supported behind the stumps by Knotty.
Not too shabby an outfit.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

I know England has a great outfit. But all the teams are pretty competitive and on their day can beat teams ranked above them.

 

[BlazeDragon]

A lot of your posts go towards bashing Pakistani's. I don't mind Pakistan being placed below England (that's fair enough), but whilst everyone else has placed them above India, you seem to be the only one who has them at 6. Obviously your bias showing there. With pace bowlers like Pakistan's (I assume you think Pakistan's pace battery ranks below England's as well), we should be able to defeat the Indian team.

My posts have been negative towards Pakistani when you guys try and put them at the very top. You guys try and sneak in a Pakistani player in every little situation. There has only been 3 people placing them above India in this thread so far but your trying to make it sound like all of them has.

There is no genuine reason for me to be bias towards Pakistan they have never been that dominant overall in cricket. I am not Indian so I don't share a hatred towards Pakistani either. If there is a team that I am a little biased against its India because of a lot of their fanbase.

I ranked India above Pakistan because of their batting which is pretty strong. There is no reason why it shouldn't be debatable that a strong batting line up like theirs shouldn't be able handle Pakistani bowlers.

 

[kyear2]

From among the top 5 yes, I do agree. But India just doesnt have the bowling and the other 2 couldnt even beat a Barbados 11 far less the teams above them.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

I have never seen a positive post regarding Pakistan from you. The Sobers v.s. Imran thread was closed specifically because of you and Sanz and tells me what I need to know. We Pakistani's admire our players just like anyone else. Whilst we aren't the best or have never been dominant, we do have a few ATG, which you refuse to consider. I agree with your assessment that Sobers is better than Imran or McGrath and Marshall are better than Wasim, you refuse to even acknowledge them and consider their supporters as being fan boys. This makes me pretty angry because Imran means so much to me and other Pakistani's (probably a lot more than Sobers means to West Indians).

You say you have a problem with Pakistani's sneaking their players in at the top and yet the English hype machine is the strongest in cricket. So we are a little biased, but who isn't.

I really don't understand why you don't like Pakistanis. Is it because of the match fixing happening in England?

 

[weeman27bob]

The well known English hype machine where we'd rather suggest the other team is playing badly than that we're playing well. I know the one.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

@ weeman

You have won a home series. It is a phenomenal achievement but, from some of the threads the team is being considered amongst one of the greatest.

 

[BlazeDragon]

I have never seen a positive post regarding Pakistan from you. The Sobers v.s. Imran thread was closed specifically because of you and Sanz and tells me what I need to know. We Pakistani's admire our players just like anyone else. Whilst we aren't the best or have never been dominant, we do have a few ATG, which you refuse to consider. I agree with your assessment that Sobers is better than Imran or McGrath and Marshall are better than Wasim, you refuse to even acknowledge them and consider their supporters as being fan boys. This makes me pretty angry because Imran means so much to me and other Pakistani's (probably a lot more than Sobers means to West Indians).

You say you have a problem with Pakistani's sneaking their players in at the top and yet the English hype machine is the strongest in cricket. So we are a little biased, but who isn't.

I really don't understand why you don't like Pakistanis. Is it because of the match fixing happening in England?

lol that's quite of a far fetched observation. I have never denied your greats anything. I would say that this is a quite positive post about Wasim from me:

I never said that. He is an all time great no doubt about that. Just because we don't place him in the top teir doesn't mean we are denying his greatness.

It has gotten to my nerves a bit when when people have tried to put Wasim Akram above Mcgrath as a bowler or Imran Khan above Marhsall and Hadlee but that's about it.

Wasim Akram and Imran Khan are both all time greats and I respect them for that.

I apologize if you felt offended by any of my posts. It wasn't my intention to do so.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

I have never had a problem with Sobers, etc being rated above Imran etc. The problem I have is when people say Sobers is so much better than Imran or if McGrath is daylights ahead of Wasim.

 

[marc71178]

Even though both of those statements can be argued quite persuasively?

 

[kyear2]

I wouldn't say Sobers is that much better, but he is better. Its hard to campare because they have different roles but in the end Sobers does win out. To me Wasim is over rated just because of the high numer of tail end wickets that he took, but he too is a great player.

That being said, I still think England is a better all round team and would be the final team in the top four, though Pakistan with their 3 fast bowlers would be a team no one wants to face and is capable of an upset or two.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Awta

 

[hang on]

no problems with sobers being rated as much better than khan. he was sui generis. and he reached heights with his weaker suit that imran certainly did not. and he performed at a high enough level with both his suits 'simultaneously' better than imran. or anybody else in the history of the game. if fielding is also brought in...

akram was a genius, who perhaps did not do his talent full justice. while mcgrath is better in tests, in odis, it is one off. it is a question of out and out spells of inspiration/brilliance related knock outs (hat tricks etc.) as opposed to continuous asphyxiation by brilliant execution.

 

[bagapath]

From among the top 5 yes, I do agree. But India just doesnt have the bowling and the other 2 couldnt even beat a Barbados 11 far less the teams above them.

the Barbados AT XI is as good as any international team's AT XI

greenidge
haynes
weekes
worrell *
walcott
sobers
murray +
marshall
garner
hall
griffith

this is good enough to break the backs of most international XIs.....