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*Official* First Test at Lord's

benchmark00

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Look maybe I'm reading too much into it but he looked positively irked by whatever Tremlett said and his shot selection was beyond bizarre. Just didn't look all there.
He just can't play the pull/hook shot very well, and to go with that he's a compulsive hooker. England would be crazy to give him anything in his half. He tries to bring the bat from under the ball instead of over it. At times he likes to play an overhead tennis type smash through mid wicket, but he can only do that when he's set at the crease.

Australia have historically bowled like dumb ****s to him, hence his success against them in particular.
 

Furball

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Well, how could the main bowler out of 4 getting injured in the first session of a match make any difference to a match between 2 very closely matched teams? Centurymaker clearly does not know what he is talking about,imo :dry:.
England were well below their best as well and had to contend with Bowden deciding that lbw wasn't a legitimate form of dismissal in the 2nd innings. If you think that's the best England can do you're in for a shock.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
While we all realize the pointlessness of speculating, I think it's pretty safe to say that losing a player of such quality, on balance, generally hurts you a lot more than it helps, especially considering the drop off - maybe they still would have lost - we'll never know - if Zaheer had been fully fit all five days. But I'd put my money that it would at least have been closer (nothing is a guarantee but the odds would be in favor of that).

No one is saying that England don't deserve to win, or that they wouldn't deserve the #1 spot if they win by a two test margin. Different teams are capable of coping better or worse with different losses. I imagine loss of Swann would hurt England the most (in terms of bowling), whereas Zaheer is that person for India. However, even with that England is better equipped to lose any one bowler than India is because aside from Swann, the drop off from #1 to the backup isn't as steep as it is for India. That's a strength England has.

Obviously, as a fan, I would love to see Sehwag, Zaheer, etc all fully fit and I think we'd have a cracker of a series but I don't think anyone is using it as somehow saying that it doesn't 'really' mean India didn't deserve to lose, etc. Injuries are part of the game. India drew epically in 2004 in Australia because their bowlers were hurt, and England likely wouldn't have won in 2005 if McGrath hadn't gotten hurt but that's part of the game - Australia couldn't cope without their bowlers, but that didn't make any of those victories and losses less legitimate.

England won by 200 runs despite batting on the first day. Well done and fair play to them. I think every Indian fan has congratulated England on their victory so I'm not really sure why there's been such a hatred on Indian fans lately (hating the Indian team I can understand, people love to hate sportstars or teams for any number of reasons - and in fact I think it's part of what makes sports so awesome).
Er, no, Anderson would be the biggest loss. And we lost him in the middle of the 1st innings in Cardiff, and still won by an innings.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Adelaide. A bit moot though because you lost Broad during the middle of the second innings, where aside from a partnership between Clarke and Hussey the result was basically sealed.
 

flibbertyjibber

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That's why i was i advocating picking Irfan Pathan for this tour in the squad, for a long while now.

If Munaf and Sree come in it weakens the batting too much and what is worse is we don't have a fit Sehwag to fill in the spinners role if it turns, so that we can go with 4 seamers at trentbridge which is likely to favor them.
No doubt Irfan Pathan will come back into the reckoning later in the year. He is the sort of player Fletcher has wet dreams about.
 

centurymaker

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Er, no, Anderson would be the biggest loss. And we lost him in the middle of the 1st innings in Cardiff, and still won by an innings.
nope swann. without swann the pacers won't be able to sustain their high bowling standard as they'll have to bowl alot more overs.
swann can basically tie up an end and pick up wickets.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Adelaide. A bit moot though because you lost Broad during the middle of the second innings, where aside from a partnership between Clarke and Hussey the result was basically sealed.
While it wasn't as bad as losing him on the first morning, we were in a race against the weather and had 3 bowlers, which wasn't ideal.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
nope swann. without swann the pacers won't be able to sustain their high bowling standard as they'll have to bowl alot more overs.
swann can basically tie up an end and pick up wickets.
Anderson is by far England's most important bowler, that shouldn't even be getting debated.
 

Spark

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While it wasn't as bad as losing him on the first morning, we were in a race against the weather and had 3 bowlers, which wasn't ideal.
Hm. Once you got Clarke out though it was pretty obvious the rest would fall quickly. I guess not having Broad hurt in that respect though as he was the one who gave him the most obvious difficulties at the time.
 

Burgey

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nope swann. without swann the pacers won't be able to sustain their high bowling standard as they'll have to bowl alot more overs.
swann can basically tie up an end and pick up wickets.
I still don't get the Swann hype. Decent bowler but, really?
 

honestbharani

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Well played England.. Did what they had to do.. Obviously, questions would have been asked if they could not beat a 10 man team and that too when 2 more were injured going into the last inning.. Well, one injured and one sick.. Broad looked a much better bowler than he has ever done in my time of watching him (which is not a lot, admittedly)... KP showed why he is so crucial for England and their plans to be world #1.. And Anderson stuck back in the last dig even though I am not really fully convinced about him yet..


But again in a funny way, I kinda feel good about us ****ing up the first test of a series. It means we are staying true to form and that generally augurs well for the rest of the tests coming up. And I have not read the posts on this thread, but judging by the jingoism of some of the facebook posts of our members here, it is gonna be an interesting time around the end of the series. :)
As an England fan I sympathise greatly with India losing a bowler during the match. Happened to us recently after all.

Anyone remember how we coped?

Oh and I suggest people who wanna casually use words like jingoism invest in a dictionary 8-)
Well.. here we go..

dictionary.com said:
Extreme and emotional nationalism, or chauvinism
Sounds reasonable to me given the fb messages I am referring to. Maybe some people just need invest in understanding what they are talking about.. 8-)

There's only hatred against certain people. Some, like yourself, have congratulated England. Others have come here calling all England fans jingoistic. Others have disappeared altogether.

Again, if the bolded part of my post is what gave you that idea, you might wanna invest in said dictionaries.. 8-)
 

keeper

U19 Vice-Captain
When Monty was bowling in 06-07 was he a better bowler than Swann at the same time?
Possibly, Swann wasn't tearing up county batting line-ups at the time. But it may have been his attitude from England tours rather than ability and form that kept him out at this time.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I don't see what relevance people say on Facebook has at all tbh.
Well.. for one, it is the fb messages of posters from here. And secondly, I am assuming (and not without justification, IMO) that their posts here would have been of a similar kind..
 

wpdavid

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When Monty was bowling in 06-07 was he a better bowler than Swann at the same time?
Hard to say unless you were watching Swann play for Notts. Panesar deserved his place in the side for a couple of years or so imo, but there's no denying that Swann is now a superior performer. It's odd that Fletcher never forgave him for his indiscretions in 1999/2000 as you'd think that a spinner who can bat was high up his list of priorities.
 

Spark

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Well.. for one, it is the fb messages of posters from here. And secondly, I am assuming (and not without justification, IMO) that their posts here would have been of a similar kind..
Ah, I was too oblique. What I was trying to say is "don't bring Facebook conversations onto CW".
 

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