Not Enough Pace for this Level

[Manee]

what.....even Praveen has lost pace?? he used to be around about 80 IIRC

He bowls at around 72-77mph in Tests due to having to bowl longer spells, I'd assume.

 

[Daemon]

I'd back Sree over Praveen tbh. Can't forget that while the conditions will aid Praveen in England, they're likely to have a similar effect with Sreesanth. IMO Praveen has pretty much reached near the top of his 'potential' as a bowler, while Sreesanth still has the capacity to improve.

 

[smash84]

Sree has alot of capacity to improve mentally

 

[Daemon]

What did you think I was referring too?

 

[smash84]

I thought you meant bowling wise

 

[Cevno]

Sree was pretty poor in England the last time.

 

[vcs]

Sreesanth needs to understand the concept of a stock ball and bowling with a bit of patience. Without that, he will be taken apart considering the form of the English batsmen and how efficient the likes of Cook and Trott are at punishing the bad ball. He's not like a Shoaib Akhtar that he can run in, and blast out lineups when he gets it right. Probably too much to expect though.

 

[Uppercut]

Is it really? Look at Sammy's test record mate. Hes had arguably 3 good innings statistically when you exclude Bangladesh. One against England on debut, a game I saw live and I can categorically tell you that he never looked like taking a wicket all game until the England team started to look for quick runs to force the declaration. The other performance against Pakistan came on a pitch that in many quarters has been debated as perhaps not even being test class, not to mention that the Pakistani batting lineup is easily the worst out of the top 9 sides.

You have to look at patterns. Blindly considering Sammy's overall record without paying attention to his actual performance means absolutely nothing. Bowling wicket-wicket works when you bowl against sides like Bangladesh or Pakistan or when a team is looking for quick runs but it doesnt work when you are trying to bowl a half decent test side out.

Only the bit I highlighted in the last post is total bollocks. He clearly gets quite a lot of lateral movement.

The rest is fair enough. I mean, he clearly isn't actually the best West Indian bowler since the 90s, there's going to be a reason why his statistics overstate his case. I still think he's underappreciated. You can make those kinds of arguments against almost any bowler, but people do so much more often with someone bowling medium-fast.

 

[Furball]

I'd back Sree over Praveen tbh. Can't forget that while the conditions will aid Praveen in England, they're likely to have a similar effect with Sreesanth. IMO Praveen has pretty much reached near the top of his 'potential' as a bowler, while Sreesanth still has the capacity to improve.

Sreesanth must be close to overtaking Marshall as the greatest fastbowler ever given how some of you rate him.

 

[GIMH]

Close to? Typical anti-Indian bollocks from you, cheerleader boy. He surpassed him years ago.

 

[Cevno]

Sreesanth must be close to overtaking Marshall as the greatest fastbowler ever given how some of you rate him.

Very Interesting to know,that you rate Praveen Kumar so highly that you have managed to come to that conclusion from Daemon's post.

I seriously thought that when you said he only nibbles it about a bit at a slow pace ,it implied that you do not really rate him that highly. My Bad!!

So know India has a Bangladesh standard attack removing Zaheer and Praveen ,i guess?

 

[Furball]

Very Interesting to know,that you rate Praveen Kumar so highly that you have managed to come to that conclusion from Daemon's post.

I seriously thought that when you said he only nibbles it about a bit at a slow pace ,it implied that you do not really rate him that highly. My Bad!!

So know India has a Bangladesh standard attack removing Zaheer and Praveen ,i guess?

Praveen's bowling is nothing that will threaten English batsmen as they grow up with it. Same way as spinners generally don't cause Indians problems.

 

[Daemon]

Sreesanth must be close to overtaking Marshall as the greatest fastbowler ever given how some of you rate him.

**** off you racist anti-indian ****.

That post does not show anywhere how highly/low I rate him, except in relative terms to Praveen. Unless, you're saying Kumar>Sree and Sreesanth has no capacity to improve.

 

[Cevno]

Praveen's bowling is nothing that will threaten English batsmen as they grow up with it. Same way as spinners generally don't cause Indians problems.

Fair enough ,if you reckon that even though i disagree.

But what i was pointing out was that you quoted a post just saying Sreesanth > Praveen ,to say that Sree is rated almost as highly as Malcolm Marshall.
Which kind of implies that you rate Praveen very hightly.

 

[Jono]

You've mentioned Praveen Kumar and suggested previously that he won't bowl well against England in England.

Gotta ask, surely that's the best place for someone like him to bowl in world cricket.

People have been saying Praveen is too slow for 4 years now in international cricket. Started in Australia when he played the tri-series final and Hayden hit him for 4 over his head. The Aussie commentators were basically laughing. He then won India the finals series 2-0.

Same thing is happening in tests imo. I know its a different game, but if there are swinging conditions I back Praveen to bowl pretty well. England more then any other place will offer those conditions to him.

They'll offer those conditions but they'll also offer up opposition batsmen who have grown up playing against bowlers that nibble it around a bit.

He's bowled well from what I've seen of him so far but I don't think he'll cause England's batsmen too many problems.

Doubt he'll get a gig, tbh. Sree and Munaf both have more about them, IMHO.

The CC has a few bowlers of his pace who do a little with the ball. In all honesty there's probably more seamers than swing bowlers about, but I don't see him posing any serious questions for our top seven. Cook and Trott should bleed him white. They'll wait for the bad ball (of which he seems to bowl a lot, considering his lack of pace) and dead bat the rest.

Also I don't think English conditions will affect him much either way; because he's so slow I'd back him to swing the new ball pretty much anywhere.

Honestly don't think Kumar is a huge swinger of the ball for someone of his pace anyway. He seems a smart bowler so that'll count for a lot. We'll see I guess.

I make no secrets that I am a huge Praveen Kumar fan. Id be willing to put a marker down that Praveen Kumar is more likely to get wickets in England than Sreesanth if he gets a shot in the test side. Any bowler that can swing the ball both ways prodigiously even at 80mph is likely to be effective in England

He's some way short of 80mph. Was bowling 72-75mph yesterday.

He bowls at around 72-77mph in Tests due to having to bowl longer spells, I'd assume.

5-fer at Lord's is a good start I'd have thought

There's no minimum pace requirement to be up on the board at Lord's is there?

 

[Furball]

5-fer at Lord's is a good start I'd have thought

There's no minimum pace requirement to be up on the board at Lord's is there?

No there isn't; unlike others I've at least conceded that he'd looked decent.

 

[Cevno]

Love how i am almost the only one defending him when he goes wicketless called this many months ago too

 

[Bun]

Praveen's bowling is nothing that will threaten English batsmen as they grow up with it. Same way as spinners generally don't cause Indians problems.

 

[Uppercut]

Yeah, 474/8d. Joke firmly on him.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, 474/8d. Joke firmly on him.