*Official* First Test at Lord's

[kingpin]

So who's in replacement for Zaheer ?UMADKAT?Sree?munaf???Pankaj singh?

 

[Furball]

That'd be true if that happens on a consistent basis though. If it happens for one day, the bowler might in fact be unlucky. Best to wait and watch IMO.

Tipping PK to have an awesome series, personally.

Reckon he'll bowl nicely, have a few deliveries that look awesome but won't get the figures it looks like he should, simply because he doesn't make the batsmen play enough.

 

[Uppercut]

That'd be true if that happens on a consistent basis though. If it happens for one day, the bowler might in fact be unlucky. Best to wait and watch IMO.

Tipping PK to have an awesome series, personally.

I think the factor you're underestimating is how good England are at playing this type of bowler. These are the batsmen responsible for turning Hilfenhaus into a bowler that you compare someone to when you're trying to argue that they're ****.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

PK swings it from the hand like Hilfenhaus. Anderson and Zaheer are so deadly as it swings much later, can't see PK doing the same sort of damage to good batting line ups that Zaheer or Anderson would simply because the batsman has more time to see how much it is swinging.

If Zaheer is out of the series it is a hammer blow for India, what chance a recall for RP Singh who bowled well here in 2007?

 

[silentstriker]

None.

 

[Howe_zat]

Are there any Indians in county cricket besides Murali Kartik?

 

[Spark]

I think the factor you're underestimating is how good England are at playing this type of bowler. These are the batsmen responsible for turning Hilfenhaus into a bowler that you compare someone to when you're trying to argue that they're ****.

The same Hilfenhaus, by the way, that not a month before the series started everyone was talking about as a real danger man based on his work in India.

 

[Spark]

Ha ha

If you had watched him in that tournament you'd have seen that he produced the same mistakes that cost him at Augusta (and replicated at the British Open btw)

Anyway, how is it anti-British to say that Cook and Strauss played poorly and that Kumar didnt bowl as badly as Freddie would like us to think he did - thought that was obvious

It's almost farcical to think that Nick Knight can praise a guy for a play and miss - silly me, I thought that the objective of batting was to hit the ball

Finally, please dont brand me anti-British - Scots, Welsh, and Irish are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet

 

[Spikey]

The same Hilfenhaus, by the way, that not a month before the series started everyone was talking about as a real danger man based on his unlucky work in India.

fixed

 

[Howe_zat]

If anyone's going to make Praveen look ordinary it's Zaheer. Yesterday I only watched the morning session but saw way too many balls on an easy to leave line or drifting past the pads, with the swing only serving to take lbw out of the equation.

Praveen's lack of pace is not his problem right now - on the evidence of yesterday he needs to improve his accuracy. And while "massive banana swing" is all well and good, it doesn't help him if most of it is behind the stumps.

Incidentally that says something about Dhoni - the best keepers should be able to stand up to PK, making him vastly more dangerous. Of course, that would mean less ineffective post-stumps swing, so most of the fans singing his praises here would probably be less impressed.

He was okay, nothing more.

 

[Uppercut]

The same Hilfenhaus, by the way, that not a month before the series started everyone was talking about as a real danger man based on his work in India.

Yep. I still think he's at least a little bit better than he gets credit for at the moment. England made almost all of the Aussies look worse than they are during that series.

 

[Howe_zat]

Except Mitchell Johnson.

 

[Uppercut]

Even Mitchell Johnson, I would say. This isn't to say he wasn't bowling filth, but batsmen who play the cut shot liberally make bowling look seriously filthy, and Alastair Cook batted forever during that series. And even his more accurate spells didn't pick up wickets outside of Perth, which meant they got glossed over somewhat.

 

[smash84]

Finally, please dont brand me anti-British - Scots, Welsh, and Irish are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet

haha...........social WAG

 

[smash84]

If anyone's going to make Praveen look ordinary it's Zaheer. Yesterday I only watched the morning session but saw way too many balls on an easy to leave line or drifting past the pads, with the swing only serving to take lbw out of the equation.

Praveen's lack of pace is not his problem right now - on the evidence of yesterday he needs to improve his accuracy. And while "massive banana swing" is all well and good, it doesn't help him if most of it is behind the stumps.

Incidentally that says something about Dhoni - the best keepers should be able to stand up to PK, making him vastly more dangerous. Of course, that would mean less ineffective post-stumps swing, so most of the fans singing his praises here would probably be less impressed.

He was okay, nothing more.

gun post

 

[smash84]

by the way how come Zaheer developed cramps in reasonably cool weather? I thought you usually got cramps because of the heat?

 

[Howe_zat]

He got a hamstring injury, I'm not really sure why they said it was cramps. Perhaps someone was mistaken.

 

[Uppercut]

Because he was unfit.

 

[Uppercut]

He got a hamstring injury, I'm not really sure why they said it was cramps. Perhaps someone was mistaken.

He was cramping up in the dressing room after he limped off, apparently. He's allowed to have cramps AND a hamstring injury .

 

[Rush]

I'm already sick of hearing PK is 'unlucky'. Jimmy Anderson used to beat the edge a ****load and I thought he was unlucky too. But you know what he started doing? Finding the edge.

If a bowler consistently misses the edge then that's not unlucky.

He started finding the edge consistently by his fourth ever test match? Oh cool, that explains his average of 40 for the first half of his career.