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Pool B - Argentina, England, Georgia, Romania, Scotland

James

James

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10 September 2011
13:00 Scotland v Romania Rugby Park Stadium, Invercargill
Referee: Dave Pearson (England)

10 September 2011
20:30 Argentina v England Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Referee: Bryce Lawrence (New Zealand)

14 September 2011
19:30 Scotland v Georgia Rugby Park Stadium, Invercargill
Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)

17 September 2011
15:30 Argentina v Romania Rugby Park Stadium, Invercargill
Referee: Steve Walsh (Australia)

18 September 2011
18:00 England v Georgia Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Referee: Jonathan Kaplan (South Africa)

24 September 2011
18:00 England v Romania Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
Referee: Romain Poite (France)

25 September 2011
20:30 Argentina v Scotland Wellington Regional Stadium, Wellington
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)

28 September 2011
19:30 Georgia v Romania Arena Manawatu, Palmerston North
Referee: Dave Pearson (England)

1 October 2011
20:30 England v Scotland Eden Park, Auckland
Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)

2 October 2011
13:00 Argentina v Georgia Arena Manawatu, Palmerston North
Referee: Alain Rolland (Ireland)
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Be a fair old scrap for second between Scotland and Argentina. The sweaties have had some good results against the Pumas of late.

Pretty sure England should win it.
 
Howe_zat

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Pretty sure they didn't play as they should in 2007. Well above and beyond.

This one's looking like a pretty favourable draw for England.
 
ripper868

ripper868

International Coach
1. Argentina
2. Scotland
3.Georgia
4. Romania
5. England - Following point deduction for playing an ineligble player (due to admin cover-ups and false Grandmas it will be discovered one quarter of the England team is in fact not English)
 
ripper868

ripper868

International Coach
Thats bad news for the Argies, Hernanadez is a fantastic player.

Odds of them causing an upset just diminished significantly.
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
England squad announced

From the BBC.

Forwards: (17)

Props: Dan Cole (Leicester, Age 24, 17 caps), Alex Corbisiero (London Irish, 22, 6), Andrew Sheridan (Sale, 31, 38), Matt Stevens (Saracens, 28, 34), David Wilson (Bath, 26, 18).

Hookers: Dylan Hartley (Northampton, 25, 29), Lee Mears (Bath, 32, 37), Steve Thompson (Wasps, 33, 67).

Locks: Louis Deacon (Leicester, 30, 24), Courtney Lawes (Northampton, 22, 9), Tom Palmer (Stade Francais, 32, 27), Simon Shaw (unattached, 37, 67).

Back row: Tom Croft (Leicester, 25, 25), Nick Easter (Harlequins, 33, 44), James Haskell (Ricoh Black Rams, 26, 36), Lewis Moody (Bath, 33, 67), Tom Wood (Northampton, 24, 7).

Backs: (13)

Full-backs/wings: Delon Armitage (London Irish, 27, 20), Ben Foden (Northampton, 26, 16), Chris Ashton (Northampton, 24, 12), Mark Cueto (Sale, 31, 52).

Centres: Matt Banahan (Bath, 24, 13), Shontayne Hape (London Irish, 30, 12), Mike Tindall (Gloucester, 32, 71), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester, 20, 1).

Fly-halves: Toby Flood (Leicester, 26, 41), Jonny Wilkinson (Toulon, 32, 86).

Scrum-halves: Joe Simpson (Wasps, 23, 0), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens, 28, 7), Ben Youngs (Leicester, 21, 12).

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No Flutey is the big news, I suppose.

Few areas of concern for me. 3 scrum-halves is one too many when Foden's more than capable of covering 9 & 4 specialist locks similarly, when Croft and even Wood could be used there in extremis.

Centres & fly-halves the big areas of concern for me. Only two specialist tens and no specialist insides is a strange call. I presume it means Hape will play 12, but really if a bloke who can't pass off his left hand and who has no kicking game at all is the answer we're clearly asking the wrong question.
 
Howe_zat

Howe_zat

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Not too worried by the half-backs, plenty of guys there who've done the job before. Think we can have some faith in Wilko & Flood.

Much, much less convinced by the centres. Hape at 12 is dodgy as you say, and Manu - as much as I like him - looks a total gamble.
 
flibbertyjibber

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The Manu gamble either means an early quarter final exit or another place in the final. Basically Johnson is putting his entire reputation as a coach in the hands of a kid. The talent is there but I think it is a huge risk to take.

We probably have a better side than the one that got to the final 4 years ago but I can't in my heart of hearts see us beating the French in the quarters.
 
Howe_zat

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flibbertyjibber said:
The Manu gamble either means an early quarter final exit or another place in the final. Basically Johnson is putting his entire reputation as a coach in the hands of a kid. The talent is there but I think it is a huge risk to take.

We probably have a better side than the one that got to the final 4 years ago but I can't in my heart of hearts see us beating the French in the quarters.
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The French are the least of our worries. I can't see us winning the thing but I see no reason why we can't be the best 6N side going.
 
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