Harper lets Dhoni have it.

[zaremba]

But don't you get it, GIMH? Nice Mr Dhoni can't have said those horrid things because he never says horrid things. Therefore beastly Mr Harper must be lying, or hopelessly muddled.

 

[marc71178]

Oh right. Plenty of mysteries that Colombo can't solve, but thats a different story.

I've heard he could watch a replay on the TV and be more accurate than Hawkeye.

 

[Bun]

Exactly



No what's actually lolworthy is people thinking it's okay for an international captain to come out and say what he did. I'm glad these further comments have come to light though to show Dhoni for what he really is.

fact - He's a champion captain in all three formats
allegation - he's initimidating to an umpire

I'll take the facts to judge him till the allegations are proved, and even if they are it isn't going to be any damning on what he has done and achieved.

on topic, i'd be disappointed if he indeed said that 'without' provocation from harper's side. seems like harper is kind of a bossy guy who wants players to bow to him. His comment about Mishra not coming to his room and not apologising was lolworthy. Mishra got fined for what he did, end of. I found it also amusing Harper having a moan about Dhoni only 'mildly' acknowledging his censure when Mukund charged at the other umpire in appeal. Jesus christ! It was ott, but bloody hell it was only an appeal in the end. And again, what did Harper expect? If he rebuked Dhoni, the latter would be on his knees and begging for holy almight harper's forgiveness???

I think even if dhoni said that, it coiuld've been tongue in cheek at best. yes, still avoidable no doubt.

harper clearly aiming at stroking some anti indian feathers out there, and in the process get himself a book commissioned.

 

[Cevno]

Bookmarked this thread to bump it a few months down the line when he releases his book and further exaggerates the incident in it ,so i can say i told you so

Would have had far more credibility if it wasn't his last match ,and he hadn't been dropped of the Elite panel before hand ,with no way seemingly back in the International panel also(With England unlikely to nominate him) and if he hadn't faced any criticism before in addition to that.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Wow. The bias in this thread from both sides is incredible. The inability of people to divorce themselves from their own peculiar sensibilities and form a disinterested argument is symptomatic of everything that's wrong with this site at the moment.

On a completely unrelated point, maybe this whole argument could have been avoided if India hardened up and agreed to use the UDRS system. Then they could have asked for reviews of Harper's clearly shoddy decision making.

 

[Bun]

To all there playing holier than thou card,

England lodge complaint over Smith reprieve | Cricket News | South Africa v England 2009/10 | ESPN Cricinfo

Dhoni shouldn't have just stopped at those post match comments

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Because we all support England :rolleyes:

I think you'll find I've critisised this same sort of behaviour from English players (particularly Stuart Broad) and Kiwi players as well. I don't want cricket to become like football where the players harassing the umpire is the norm. Like it or not, the Umpire is the authority figure on the field and you have to accept his (or the UDRS) decision whether you like it or not. I don't have any time for any player aggressively approaching the Umpire, making pointed comments to the Umpire or appealling excessively. The two captains can issue a report to the ICC after the game regarding the pitch and the Umpire, unless I'm very much mistaken, and this should be the avenue for any criticism they wish to give.

 

[Bun]

Umpire Benson heading for retirement | Cricket News | Australia v West Indies 2009/10 | ESPN Cricinfo

one more uncannily similar incident. benson to his credit didn't use this to profit.

 

[Bun]

Because we all support England :rolleyes:

I think you'll find I've critisised this same sort of behaviour from English players (particularly Stuart Broad) and Kiwi players as well. I don't want cricket to become like football where the players harassing the umpire is the norm. Like it or not, the Umpire is the authority figure on the field and you have to accept his (or the UDRS) decision whether you like it or not. I don't have any time for any player aggressively approaching the Umpire, making pointed comments to the Umpire or appealling excessively. The two captains can issue a report to the ICC after the game regarding the pitch and the Umpire, unless I'm very much mistaken, and this should be the avenue for any criticism they wish to give.

my post wasn't aimed at u. sry if u thought so.

indeed I agree with you, that's precisely why I said i.d be disappointed with dhoni if he indeed made that comment, because frankly I cannot ever recollect him even having a lengthy. animated chat with any umpire on field, let alone a fingerwagging session. so it'd be extremely out of character for him to do so, without any provocation from the other side.

further, the fact that dhoni or india did not file a complaint with icc, shows that there is more smoke than fire to it. dhoni actually had a laugh about it and moved on.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

my post wasn't aimed at u. sry if u thought so.

indeed I agree with you, that's precisely why I said i.d be disappointed with dhoni if he indeed made that comment, because frankly I cannot ever recollect him even having a lengthy. animated chat with any umpire on field, let alone a fingerwagging session. so it'd be extremely out of character for him to do so, without any provocation from the other side.

further, the fact that dhoni or india did not file a complaint with icc, shows that there is more smoke than fire to it. dhoni actually had a laugh about it and moved on.

Ah. Fair enough.

I do wonder how common in these days of media exposure it is that details of the official reporting are actually known? After all, it probably sells more newspapers to make a story about players whinging than it does to talk about players taking the official channels.

We all need to remember how rare these incidents are. I think it's much more common at the top level to see players sharing a joke from time to time with the Umpires - especially the experienced ones. These incidents do tend to stem from times where matches are close (think of all the incidents in the 2005 Ashes!); and after all, cricket is a pretty stressful occupation.

These guys aren't automatons and whilst Dhoni might be the nicest guy under normal circumstances, it certainly doesn't preclude him (and nor should it, necessarily) from having a 'moment' now and again. It shows he's human. I certainly wouldn't rule it out, just because he seems so nice 90+% of the time.

 

[Cevno]

I think you'll find I've critisised this same sort of behaviour from English players (particularly Stuart Broad) and Kiwi players as well. I don't want cricket to become like football where the players harassing the umpire is the norm. Like it or not, the Umpire is the authority figure on the field and you have to accept his (or the UDRS) decision whether you like it or not. I don't have any time for any player aggressively approaching the Umpire, making pointed comments to the Umpire or appealling excessively. The two captains can issue a report to the ICC after the game regarding the pitch and the Umpire, unless I'm very much mistaken, and this should be the avenue for any criticism they wish to give.

Agreed. Though umpires should be willing to take some constructive criticism too and admit to their mistakes like Taufel did himself when India toured England in 2007.
If Dhoni indeed did that on the field, then he has to be reprimanded like Ponting should have been for what he did to Dar etc...

But at the same time, I have sincere doubts about Harper quitting because of it and exaggerating what did happen given the circumstances of his career and considering what he has faced before and not reacted similarly. It makes commercial sense for him to do so and generate publicity.What is also important is the context in which these comments were made,even if they were and how are they being interpreted and if they were really reported at the time to the Match referee or relevant authorities by the umpires. This will determine whether he can back it up.

While the players should go through the relevant channels, Harper mouthing off every couple of days and previously bringing religion into it, is also unwarranted.

Would like to wait for what Dhoni has to say about it tbh.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

While the players should go through the relevant channels, Harper mouthing off every couple of days and previously bringing religion into it, is also unwarranted.

Well, quite. Use of official channels works both ways, but it's presumably easier for the ICC to censure an Umpire; who is more directly controlled than a player.

And even if Harper is using it for his own purposes, that's no excuse for the poor behaviour in the first place. It may be mercenary and opportunistic, but that doesn't excuse it. Unless, of course, he's fabricated the whole thing; which seems highly unlikely.

 

[Cevno]

These guys aren't automatons and whilst Dhoni might be the nicest guy under normal circumstances, it certainly doesn't preclude him (and nor should it, necessarily) from having a 'moment' now and again. It shows he's human. I certainly wouldn't rule it out, just because he seems so nice 90+% of the time.

Absolutely ,can't rule anything out. How much different to his character it maybe,he is human after all and in the heat of the moment anything can happen.

But even if it did,what i doubt is that it was a case of institutionalized bullying as Harper wants to show it. This is where i am doubtful about his intentions considering everything.

 

[silentstriker]

No what's actually lolworthy is people thinking it's okay for an international captain to come out and say what he did.

True, an international captain shouldn't want to eat an early lunch.

 

[centurymaker]

Wow. The bias in this thread from both sides is incredible. The inability of people to divorce themselves from their own peculiar sensibilities and form a disinterested argument is symptomatic of everything that's wrong with this site at the moment.

On a completely unrelated point, maybe this whole argument could have been avoided if India hardened up and agreed to use the UDRS system. Then they could have asked for reviews of Harper's clearly shoddy decision making.

nope it was probably more to do with harper suspending praveen from bowling

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Which was completely in line with the laws of the game? Kumar wasn't the first bowler to be taken out of the attack for running on the pitch. I'm pretty sure Jimmy Anderson's had this happen before, and fairly recently.

 

[robelinda]

Kumar only had himself to blame for being removed from the attack, he was warned, and then had 2 official warnings, tough titties pal. Blaming the umpire for doing his job is absurd. The Indians seem to want to have on field umpires making all the decisions, but not those which are not in India's favour. Sour grapes indeed.

 

[GotSpin]

Why didn't Dhoni complain about some of the decisions in the third test?

 

[GotSpin]

But could it rival Bradman Tendulkar?!

Anyone with half a brain knows the answer to this one

 

[Cevno]

Why didn't Dhoni complain about some of the decisions in the third test?

The same comment about being in the hotel early etc.... would apply. But again if he did ,people would draw their own interpretations ,so might as well not