***Unofficial*** Ireland Discussion Thread

[Magrat Garlick]

2-5's really good. 3 of them were good enough actual sides, and Niall O'Brien's pretty good.

New Zealanders to comment on this statement please

 

[zaremba]

Boyd rankin has the 3 lions in his veins as does nial o'biren,bout time england picked them,ireland is part of the uk and therefore should be picked for the uk.
No test status for them.

Not sure how tongue-in-cheek this is

 

[Patroclus]

start the World Test Championship

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Not sure how tongue-in-cheek this is

I think this may possibly be the only corner of the internet where that statement is tongue-in-cheek

 

[Patroclus]

they should put together a solid 16 man squad and win consistently

 

[BlazeDragon]

What else does Ireland have to do to get full membership?

They have already beaten 3 full member sides, Pakistan , Bangladesh, and England.

What else do they have to do? What are the requirements?

 

[Howe_zat]

I believe the rules are that Ireland would need its own first-class domestic structure.

 

[NasserFan207]

Bribe the ECB/BCCI with indentured potato farmers

 

[Andre]

Get in bed with the BCCI.

 

[GIMH]

I believe the rules are that Ireland would need its own first-class domestic structure.

Who determines whether a structure is good enough to be first class?

 

[Mike5181]

They have Marshall now don't they? They could field a half decent team.

 

[salman85]

Stop U2 from performing.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

How much lower is the standard of bowling and batting faced by Ireland?

Some people have asked me to include Ireland in my ODI cricket simulator (at ODI CricSim | All One Day International cricket simulation.), and going by their performances over the past five years it can't be denied that they deserve a place in the top rank.

The only problem is that the simulator uses real-life stats, and this might not be accurate when a top team plays Ireland. The reason I think this is because the full nations play each other all the time whereas Ireland play a lot of second-tier nations such as Canada, the Netherlands, Namibia and Kenya. This means that the career stats of Irish players reflect their performances against a lower standard of batting and bowling than the stats of the players of the full nations.

Essentially I need to quantify (in percentage terms) how much worse the standard of play faced by Ireland is compared to the full nations.

In the cases where I have included a player in a full nation team who has extensive first-class experience but little or no international experience (such as Imran Tahir) I have taken the first-class stats and made them 10% worse. This means that the base percentage chance of going out on any given ball might rise from, for example, 2.5 to 2.75. Bowling strike rates are also nerfed by 10%.

I know it's hard to say for certain, but do you think that the level of play faced by Ireland is roughly equivalent to first-class play in the full nations? That is to say, would a nerfing of 10% be an accurate reflection of the "true" stats of the Irish players?

 

[Uppercut]

It's almost impossible to say. You could filter their stats to only include games against test sides, but then you might have to do that for everyone else too.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

It is a tough one. The problem with filtering stats to include only matches against test sides is that the sample size for Irish players becomes very small, and therefore subject to randomness.

 

[Howe_zat]

The compromise between filtering the stats and leaving them raw is usually to introduce some sort of weighting system, to favour the figures against the top sides but not exclusively rely on them.

This is probably Cribb's area actually.

 

[Prince EWS]

The compromise between filtering the stats and leaving them raw is usually to introduce some sort of weighting system, to favour the figures against the top sides but not exclusively rely on them.

This is probably Cribb's area actually.

Yeah, this is something I've done a lot with Tests, mainly stemming from my work with simulation competition player ranking systems, funnily enough. However, you need some sort of common level to use as a constant to compare it mathematically at all, which makes it really hard to do for ODIs. When you have a situation like this where you have two unofficial divisions that rare actually meet each other, you basically just have to guess - which is what he's looking for people to do in this thread, I guess.

I'd definitely suggest splitting player data using StatsGuru, giving full weighting to all runs and wickets taken against Test teams and making them count for, say, 0.8 against associates. In fact I'd actually go a bit further and suggest individual weightings for each of the Test teams as well, but that's probably not completely needed.

 

[Challis]

Some people have asked me to include Ireland in my ODI cricket simulator (at ODI CricSim | All One Day International cricket simulation.), and going by their performances over the past five years it can't be denied that they deserve a place in the top rank.

Hey I'm really interested in having a go at your cricket simulator but there seems to be an ad that's covering the play button (on Internet Explorer and Google Chrome), is there any way get around this?

ignore this as I've managed to finally solve the problem

 

[BlazeDragon]

Ireland plan first-class structure

I believe the rules are that Ireland would need its own first-class domestic structure.

Ireland news: Ireland plan first-class structure | Ireland Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo

They are doing it now.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Stop U2 from performing.