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*Official* Indian Premier League 2011
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Bun
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you know, I actually opened cricinfo and checked the scorecard again, and to my surprise mumbai indians won the match!
got to love the dichotomy. warne, who has proved that his first ipl was nothing but fluke, gets nothing like this on this forum. I know it.s cool to criticise tendulkar, but fact is he has led mi to last 4 everytime he had a full stint. I think the only cap who has a better record than him is msd, who of course is the best captain, no shame in that.
agree, his captaincy has been truly wierd at times, but I believe his move to push harby did work, for they were really under pressure to chase down such a big total. and harby through hook or crook provided them a fillip, momentum which may not reflect in his sr. but I think mi were going well at abt 9 an over when he got out, so yep he did his job.
its also aimed at giving harby some much needed batting stint under pressure. he is no mug with the bat, and I believe he is underutilised.
still I dont think MI are favs. I will be surprised if they make the finals, but as msd said, in ipl the primary job of the captain is to ensure the last 4 after which its all a lottery.
Blaze 18
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So let's get this straight - Mumbai won the match so the move to send Harbhajan up the order worked? Mumbai won the match because of an extraordinary last over. If you think the move to send Harbhajan up the order worked then that's fine. I don't think so. I think it was stupid to send him at three, that too ahead of an in-form Rayudu.
As regards your "it's cool to criticize Tendulkar" statement, are you insinuating that I am criticizing him just for the heck of it?
I'm not sure if you know this mate but I've always defended Tendulkar on this forum whenever he's been unfairly criticized, so just because I'm calling this a stupid move doesn't mean I don't like him. Hell, I am sure I'm a bigger fan of him than most on this forum, dare I say, including you.
As far as I am concerned - match result be damned - it was stupid to send Harbhajan at three. He basically deprived the genuine batsmen of five full overs, which is twenty-five percent of a T20 innings. As I stated before, if Rayudu had batted those five overs, there is a very good chance the match wouldn't have gone till the last over (or at least they'd have had ten-twelve to get instead of twenty-one). As for Harbhajan being under-utilized and giving him "a stint under pressure, well, I wouldn't want to make full use of his batting skills at the expense of a genuine batsman/hitter, sorry mate.
T20 itself is a lottery, not just the last round. I don't really care about the results to be honest. I support a team called India - it makes no difference to me who wins the IPL.
As regards your "it's cool to criticize Tendulkar" statement, are you insinuating that I am criticizing him just for the heck of it?
I'm not sure if you know this mate but I've always defended Tendulkar on this forum whenever he's been unfairly criticized, so just because I'm calling this a stupid move doesn't mean I don't like him. Hell, I am sure I'm a bigger fan of him than most on this forum, dare I say, including you.As far as I am concerned - match result be damned - it was stupid to send Harbhajan at three. He basically deprived the genuine batsmen of five full overs, which is twenty-five percent of a T20 innings. As I stated before, if Rayudu had batted those five overs, there is a very good chance the match wouldn't have gone till the last over (or at least they'd have had ten-twelve to get instead of twenty-one). As for Harbhajan being under-utilized and giving him "a stint under pressure, well, I wouldn't want to make full use of his batting skills at the expense of a genuine batsman/hitter, sorry mate.
T20 itself is a lottery, not just the last round. I don't really care about the results to be honest. I support a team called India - it makes no difference to me who wins the IPL.
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Bun
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wasn't specifically aimed at u mate, the comment abt cool to criticise tendulkar, that is.
even I dont care a **** abt this tourney. only thing is I cant help myself from not watching sachin even if its gully cricket, and warne too, and gilly and that dc chick... ipl managed to bring all these together....
even I dont care a **** abt this tourney. only thing is I cant help myself from not watching sachin even if its gully cricket, and warne too, and gilly and that dc chick... ipl managed to bring all these together....
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
The diff. between having a proper bona fide batsman at 3 and a bloke like Harbhajan is the no. of dot balls Harbhajan swallowed.. A batsman would find a way to at least get a single if he cant get the boundary.. Bhajji was juz swingin' and missin'... And it is not his fault. When he is batting lower down, he can get away with this as the bowlers perhaps drop a little in terms of energy seeing the tail in but at that stage, you gotta set the game up.. I think Bhajji missin' so many put quite a lot of pressure on Sachin himself at the other end and may have caused him to hole out earlier than he would have perhaps done... To call that a good move is.....
Borges
International Regular
Haven't watched this game; but Tendulkar is amongst the most inept of captains that I've ever seen. In any form of the game, at any level.
Astonishing really, considering that he knows how to use his brain better than most others when he's batting. Make him captain a side and he promptly dons the dunce's cap.
Astonishing really, considering that he knows how to use his brain better than most others when he's batting. Make him captain a side and he promptly dons the dunce's cap.
Cevno
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You haven't seen Yuvraj Singh captain a side then.
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Sending Harbhajan up was a terrible move on paper, and should by all accounts have failed. But in reality, I have to agree with Bun that it didn't go all that badly. MI were going very well at the stage he was dismissed. The quick wickets of Sharma and Tendulkar following his dismissal were what set MI back (and Pollard also swallowed quite a few dot balls). Rajat Bhatia bowled a very economical spell around that time.
honestbharani
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MI were going at a fair clip when he was dismissed, I don't care about his exact SR. So it was working, whether you liked it or not. I certainly didn't, sending pinch-hitters in 20-over cricket is a waste of time IMO.
The real criticism of Tendulkar's captaincy is that he has let performances slip after they enjoyed such a good start to the tournament, the bowling looks a bit ragged and too many part-timers now that batsmen have worked out Malinga a bit, the batting order is unsettled, Tendulkar still hasn't found a proper opening partner, and his own form dropping away has exacerbated the situation. Unless they up their performance levels drastically, I don't see them winning another game.
The real criticism of Tendulkar's captaincy is that he has let performances slip after they enjoyed such a good start to the tournament, the bowling looks a bit ragged and too many part-timers now that batsmen have worked out Malinga a bit, the batting order is unsettled, Tendulkar still hasn't found a proper opening partner, and his own form dropping away has exacerbated the situation. Unless they up their performance levels drastically, I don't see them winning another game.
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Yep, remember he did something like that and held Pollard back way too long.
I'm not convinced Pollard would do very well if he came in with too many overs to play either. He's a hit-or-block type batsman in the Yusuf Pathan mould. Sometimes it's best that they come in with just a few overs left. However, he certainly should have been sent in earlier in last year's final as they were chasing a big total and keeping him back in such a situation makes no sense.
Bun
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Bun
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what is hurting mi the most is their extreme prone to batting collapses and pollards indiff form.
tendulkar is forced to cut down his strokeplay and has to play the anchor since none of the top order players are looking consistently solid.
anyways I wouldnt rank tendulkar anywhere near the bottom... even the harby move worked if u consider the sachin harby partnership and the solid position mi were in when the latter got out. score card readers who dont watch the game but are so quick to give their verdict is so lol.
tendulkar is forced to cut down his strokeplay and has to play the anchor since none of the top order players are looking consistently solid.
anyways I wouldnt rank tendulkar anywhere near the bottom... even the harby move worked if u consider the sachin harby partnership and the solid position mi were in when the latter got out. score card readers who dont watch the game but are so quick to give their verdict is so lol.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Do you deny that Sachin's captaincy hurt Mumbai in the IPL final last year?
If you do then you're blindly defending him because he is Sachin.
Lord knows I (just like many others) are huge Sachin fans. But he isn't always the best captain. I don't think he's the worst by any stretch. But he's not great.
If you do then you're blindly defending him because he is Sachin.
Lord knows I (just like many others) are huge Sachin fans. But he isn't always the best captain. I don't think he's the worst by any stretch. But he's not great.
Bun
Banned
Yes, safe to say it cost them the match. even wierd was asking a nayar to bat so high.
but all captains have made such moves, call it inspired or stupid. msd asking joginder to bowl the last over in the T20 final cud have backfired big time if misbah didnt lose his cool.
putting an out of sorts sreesanth in a world cup final is right up there too...
or asking yusuf pathan to open....
warne has been doing blunder after blunder in the ipl, nobody criticises him. instead we still have lolworthy discussions that he is the best cap aus team never had etc etc.
it grinds my gear to see people just micro analysing one player alone, and in some cases not even having watched it pass damning indictments.. arm chair experts we all are agreed, but no harm in injecting a bit of common sense.
there is no such thing as a perfect captian.
Bun
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no, no denying that.
but nobody is insulated from taking bad decisions. had harby managed to do what he did against dc, like cracking an 18 ball 50, people would be praising him to the skies.
it's an unpredictable game. tendulkar led them to a record no. of wins and literally made them roar into the finals, but he had an off half day on the eventful day. so that makes him the worst captain and a dunce as some people are saying here?
