Forum Rule Changes including Introduction of Infraction System

[Adamc]

Tbh I was under the impression when this thread was created that 'you're a ****' type posts were going to be cracked down on regardless or origin, subject or intent. Obviously (and fortunately) this scenario hasn't eventuated as everyone still calls Jono a ****, but for the sake of clarity I think the application of the rule should be explicated.

I suspect the response is that posters should use common sense to determine whether such posts are appropriate or not, but I would suggest that moderators should likewise use common sense to determine when posters should be infracted and/or banned rather than relying on the crutch of a points system. This was my understanding of the system previously and for the most part it worked fine. The only problems occurred when some moderators failed to or were incapable of exercising said common sense.

 

[GIMH]

I wasn't there, and I'm not a football fan, so I can't say whether or not Cevno was being generally antagonistic. But in this case, isn't the difference made by Cevno not provoking anyone specific, whereas Sledger was directly insulting him?

Edit: (genuinely asking btw)

Cevno posts in that thread enough to know who he's antagonising, IMO

 

[andyc]

Tbh I was under the impression when this thread was created that 'you're a ****' type posts were going to be cracked down on regardless or origin, subject or intent. Obviously (and fortunately) this scenario hasn't eventuated as everyone still calls Jono a ****, but for the sake of clarity I think the application of the rule should be explicated.

I suspect the response is that posters should use common sense to determine whether such posts are appropriate or not, but I would suggest that moderators should likewise use common sense to determine when posters should be infracted and/or banned rather than relying on the crutch of a points system. This was my understanding of the system previously and for the most part it worked fine. The only problems occurred when some moderators failed to or were incapable of exercising said common sense.

We made that statement just coming off the Ashes where it was getting really out of control. As long as it's not over the top (something like this, for example) and it's not becoming too common, there shouldn't really be an issue.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah just ignore my points and questions and then single me out for something I've already been infracted for, nice one

And just so we're clear, my question is why did an infraction have to be given, why couldn't you have just said 'cut it out'?

Your role is 'moderators' but it seems it should be 'infracters' as you don't really moderate anymore, you just infract at every opportunity. Piss poor.

 

[andyc]

Yeah just ignore my points and questions and then single me out for something I've already been infracted for, nice one

And just so we're clear, my question is why did an infraction have to be given, why couldn't you have just said 'cut it out'?

Your role is 'moderators' but it seems it should be 'infracters' as you don't really moderate anymore, you just infract at every opportunity. Piss poor.

That was the first infraction that was a good example that I could think of. In all honesty I thought it was benchmark who'd made the post and spent a couple of minutes searching for the post made by him before I stumbled across the right one. Wasn't trying to prove a point, was just trying to give an example of something that was a bit too much in terms of language. Apologies if you think I was singling you out but I assure you I wasn't.

As for your question, if we notice a thread going down the wrong track, we do say cut it out; even in this thread there's been a couple of times in the last couple of days where mods have tried to stop it going down the wrong path, and that's worked. That's obviously what we want to do but sometimes we get there and the thread's already escalated. When people are calling each other ****s (repeatedly), it's clearly out of hand. If there was antagonistic posting building up to sledger's post, and we'd seen it, something may well have been said; as it was, Cevno only made two posts in the football thread (right after each other) that day before sledger's posts. We can't really tell people to cut it out when they go straight to abuse.

By my count there's been 5 infractions handed out to actual (non-bot/weird multi) members in the last 3 weeks or so, so I really can't agree with your argument that we just infract at every opportunity.

 

[GIMH]

He didn't call him a **** repeatedly though? Cevno tried saying it didn't make sense and then sledger said 'remove xyz from it then'

Cevno's posts were antagonistic and it's just stubborn of you to refute this. It's not that you get the decisions wrong that grates it's the way you have not admitted to any mistakes. And they have been many since you brought in infractions.

As someone who posts in the footy thread all the time, I am constantly irritated by Cevno's borderline-trolling and he deserved the comments from sledger. And I reported the post that sledger responded to so it's not like I haven't mentioned this before. You can be pig-headed all you like, it was a joke infraction that's led to a joke ban.

 

[vcs]

Look, you may think Cevno borderline-trolls that thread, I don't though. It's far from being a provable fact. He does not however, insult people. Personally, I think some people have some strange agenda against him for no apparent reason.

What's the opposite of infraction points BTW? Jono should be handed a few for his response to that post of yours. Makes me laugh every time.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, the problem people have with Cevno is that he trolls and posts provocative nonsense. It's not an 'agenda'

 

[vcs]

In your opinion obviously (which I daresay isn't shared by the majority). If you think so, ignore him and get on with it FFS. It's not so hard not to go around insulting people.

 

[GotSpin]

Look, you may think Cevno borderline-trolls that thread, I don't though. It's far from being a provable fact. He does not however, insult people. Personally, I think some people have some strange agenda against him for no apparent reason.

What's the opposite of infraction points BTW? Jono should be handed a few for his response to that post of yours. Makes me laugh every time.

Maybe because he sometimes posts garbage?

Nah you're right, we're all out to get him!!!!

 

[vcs]

Yeah, because calling someone a **** is the right and acceptable thing to do if you don't agree with their opinion.

 

[GotSpin]

Yeah, because calling someone a **** is the right and acceptable thing to do if you don't agree with their opinion.

That's funny, I don't remember saying it was an acceptable thing to do. Would you mind quoting me on that.

I was addressing your point which suggested that some posters have an agenda against Cevno

 

[GIMH]

Well I'm sorry but it's not like people respond to every post he makes with 'you're a ****'

He decided to provoke in the immediate aftermath of an Arsenal-Man U game though, and so you can hardly blame sledger for his reaction. Jesus Christ, emotions run high sometimes and when someone's trolling, they are going to get called out from time to time

 

[andyc]

Yeah, because calling someone a **** is the right and acceptable thing to do if you don't agree with their opinion.

This.

If you think someone is trolling, report the post and we'll look at it, but just because one or two people think it's trolling doesn't mean it will necessarily be seen that way by the mod team. What's not acceptable, though, is straight up abusing people. Or, for that matter, publicly accusing people of trolling.

GIMH, it's clear that in this thread alone that other posters, even those who follow the football thread, didn't think Cevno was trolling, and clearly neither did the mod team. It's certainly not a fact one or the other though, and so saying that we're just being stubborn by refusing to acknowledge that he was trolling is off the mark.

More importantly, even if he was trolling, it doesn't excuse the insult. That's the way the rules work, and always have.

 

[GIMH]

This.

If you think someone is trolling, report the post and we'll look at it, but just because one or two people think it's trolling doesn't mean it will necessarily be seen that way by the mod team. What's not acceptable, though, is straight up abusing people. Or, for that matter, publicly accusing people of trolling.

GIMH, it's clear that in this thread alone that other posters, even those who follow the football thread, didn't think Cevno was trolling, and clearly neither did the mod team. It's certainly not a fact one or the other though, and so saying that we're just being stubborn by refusing to acknowledge that he was trolling is off the mark.

More importantly, even if he was trolling, it doesn't excuse the insult. That's the way the rules work, and always have.

It's also clear from this thread (and conversations I've had with others) that some people think he was trolling, or that he certainly provoked sledger.

And sure, it doesn't excuse the insult but the lack of contextual awareness really grates. As I said, there was absolutely no good reason why you couldn't have just asked sledger to cut it out, given the situation (the immediate aftermath of a big match, the provocation whether you call it trolling or not). But as I said, you had to have your finger on the button, and the result is a nonsense infraction and a nonsense ban.

Its a ****ing complete joke.

 

[GotSpin]

Do GIMH and Sledgerino skype naked together or something?

Genuine question. He seems very high strung for what is a one week ban

 

[GIMH]

I actually just mentioned it offhand in response to geg's suggestion that infractions don't expire quickly enough.

But someone pulled me up on it, so I responded. And from there, it snowballed.

You know me Hing, once I get going I find it hard to stop

 

[Flem274*]

Do GIMH and Sledgerino skype naked together or something?

Genuine question. He seems very high strung for what is a one week ban

Haha been thinking the same thing.

 

[GIMH]

We're actually the same person tbh. He got fed up of his multis getting busted so made a complete northern alter-ego instead

 

[GotSpin]

I actually just mentioned it offhand in response to geg's suggestion that infractions don't expire quickly enough.

But someone pulled me up on it, so I responded. And from there, it snowballed.

You know me Hing, once I get going I find it hard to stop

It's because your a four star champion mate