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[GIMH]

Lol Manee, I see you have fallen into the trap of calling any booking you don't agree with as abysmal.

I cbf to argue all your points so I'm just gonna take issue with your quite frankly ridiculous analysis of Cole V King.

Cole worked like a child? Give me a ****ing break. He's not a wrestler, he's not meant to be a wrestler. He's meant to be embarassing in the ring! What did you want, a five star classic. The whole point was that he was made to look like the cowardly dweeb he is, and get the **** beaten out of him. It was executed to perfection.

Now you may not like the result reversal at the end but it worked for two reasons. One, it allowed them to transition seamlessly to King and JR calling the main events. Two, it allows Cole to maintain his character but we still got to see him getting his ass kicked.

Sorry. I don't want to sound rude, but that really annoyed me. To call Cole an embarassment because he can't ****ing 'work' might be one of the silliest comments I've ever read in this thread.

 

[sledger]

Haha, must say, it is a somewhat curious observation.

Would also say that though Bryan and Sheamus should definitely have been on the card, there was nothing wrong with the Rock's segment whatsoever. The whole selling point of the show was that he would be hosting it, so it was logical that he opened it up as the host. Agree that a load of all the other crap coul dhave been cut out to make room for it though. But as it's a four hour show I guess it's not surprising that these days there are so many skits and so on, having said that I don't remember there being all that many last year.

 

[Manee]

Lol Manee, I see you have fallen into the trap of calling any booking you don't agree with as abysmal.

Oh GIMH, I was certain that you'd agree with me at this year's Mania. If something angers the IWC and does not please the live crowd - then it is poorly booked, imo.

I cbf to argue all your points so I'm just gonna take issue with your quite frankly ridiculous analysis of Cole V King.

Cole worked like a child? Give me a ****ing break. He's not a wrestler, he's not meant to be a wrestler. He's meant to be embarassing in the ring! What did you want, a five star classic. The whole point was that he was made to look like the cowardly dweeb he is, and get the **** beaten out of him. It was executed to perfection.

Now you may not like the result reversal at the end but it worked for two reasons. One, it allowed them to transition seamlessly to King and JR calling the main events. Two, it allows Cole to maintain his character but we still got to see him getting his ass kicked.

Yes. The transition to Lawler and JR was fine. Hardly seemless, but not bad and I did see where they were coming from. I know Cole is meant to be embarrassing in the ring, but getting a two count on King after his 'Swagger-bomb' and having King sell Cole's pathetic offense on his ankle was an embarrassment. You may disagree with the former, but I honestly dare you to tell me that it was good to see King sell Cole tip toeing on his ankle and applying terrible leg locks to him. If the crowd chants BORING during a Wrestlemania match, you've done something wrong. The fans hated Cole, they loved Lawler - something went wrong if they are chanting BORING.

Sorry. I don't want to sound rude, but that really annoyed me. To call Cole an embarassment because he can't ****ing 'work' might be one of the silliest comments I've ever read in this thread.

Maybe to call Cole an embarrassment is to attack the man rather than the booking, but watch the match - listen to the disinterested crowd and tell me that was a good match. Tell me Cole's offensive is 100% uncringeworthy. There were okay bits to it, but mostly, it was pathetic - especially the work to Lawler's ankle.

 

[Manee]

Haha, must say, it is a somewhat curious observation.

Would also say that though Bryan and Sheamus should definitely have been on the card, there was nothing wrong with the Rock's segment whatsoever. The whole selling point of the show was that he would be hosting it, so it was logical that he opened it up as the host. Agree that a load of all the other crap coul dhave been cut out to make room for it though. But as it's a four hour show I guess it's not surprising that these days there are so many skits and so on, having said that I don't remember there being all that many last year.

The Rock's segment was fine - just all dragged on a bit for me. That is the sorta thing I'm willing to budge on, that is all due to taste and all that and I cannot deny he entertained the millions and millions of the fans.

Also, GIMH and Sledger, please try to check out John Morrison right at the end as Snooki was getting the 3, was genuinely hilarious.

 

[sledger]

If something angers the IWC.

Uh-oh.

 

[Manee]

The word AND was there. Something angering the IWC on its own means **** all. If something angers the IWC and the live crowd are appalled - then it means something.

 

[sledger]

The word AND was there. Something angering the IWC on its own means **** all. If something angers the IWC and the live crowd are appalled - then it means something.

Yeah, all I was getting at there is the danger of placing too much influence on IWC opinion. It may be unwise to assume that they in any way make up the majority and indeed reflect the majority opinion of all those who would consider themselves "wrestling fans". Certain sections of the IWC will find a way to **** all over anything no matter how good it is.

However, I don't neccessarily disagree with your point in principle, but I'm not sold on your suggestion that the crowd were in actual fact "appalled" by what they saw.

 

[GIMH]

Oh GIMH, I was certain that you'd agree with me at this year's Mania. If something angers the IWC and does not please the live crowd - then it is poorly booked, imo.



Yes. The transition to Lawler and JR was fine. Hardly seemless, but not bad and I did see where they were coming from. I know Cole is meant to be embarrassing in the ring, but getting a two count on King after his 'Swagger-bomb' and having King sell Cole's pathetic offense on his ankle was an embarrassment. You may disagree with the former, but I honestly dare you to tell me that it was good to see King sell Cole tip toeing on his ankle and applying terrible leg locks to him. If the crowd chants BORING during a Wrestlemania match, you've done something wrong. The fans hated Cole, they loved Lawler - something went wrong if they are chanting BORING.



Maybe to call Cole an embarrassment is to attack the man rather than the booking, but watch the match - listen to the disinterested crowd and tell me that was a good match. Tell me Cole's offensive is 100% uncringeworthy. There were okay bits to it, but mostly, it was pathetic - especially the work to Lawler's ankle.

Look, I might have misheard but I thought those chants were 'Lawler' not 'boring'

Cole's offence was meant to be cringeworthy, but Lawler had been worked on by Swagger to the extent that even a dweeb like Cole could hurt him. The most basic of storytelling, how are you not getting this?! Once Swagger was taken care of and the effects of his work started to wear out, Cole had nothing. Cole was not supposed to be a good wrestler. I will keep saying it and will remain true.

On a general level, of course the idea is to get the crowd involved, however I don't personally judge quality based on what other people think but on my perceptions. The IWC are a bunch of spotty virgins who can kiss my hairy arse, their opinions are worthless. And the live crowd didn't seem to **** on too much at all - the only time they were angered was when Cena-Miz ended in a count out which was obviously the vehicle to get Rock out. I would agree that Rock being out there earlier would have been good but it worked as it was.

And I think you made an earlier comment that it was wrong that Rock cleaned house with Miz at the end because it should have been Miz's moment. Um, please can you make your mind up. I do not believe Miz celebrating in the ring at the end was what the crowd wanted - what the crowd wanted at the end of Mania was what they got, and incidentally it was the first time Mania ever ended with the Great One stood tall. Excellent and logical booking, simple as.

 

[benchmark00]

Everyone knows the best Wrestlemania was IX.

Was the last Wrestlemania before wrestling became ghey.

 

[GIMH]

The Rock's segment was fine - just all dragged on a bit for me. That is the sorta thing I'm willing to budge on, that is all due to taste and all that and I cannot deny he entertained the millions and millions of the fans.

Also, GIMH and Sledger, please try to check out John Morrison right at the end as Snooki was getting the 3, was genuinely hilarious.

Ah I did see that actually mate, so good

 

[sledger]

Everyone knows the best Wrestlemania was IX.

Was the last Wrestlemania before wrestling became ghey.

Go and play your broken record elsewhere, ****.

 

[benchmark00]

Go and play your broken record elsewhere, ****.

 

[sledger]

Hiding behind Zack Morris; the most masculine thing you've ever done tbh.

 

[Shri]

Would be pissed off If the HHH-'taker feud runs for a full year now and ends in a streak vs career match at WM28. The HBK Vs Taker WM match and the HHH-Taker match were so similar. Not poor but way too similar.

 

[sledger]

Oh boy, WM28...it's on!

 

[akilana]

holy holy

how are they going to build this up? but not as excited as I would be for a Rock vs Austin or Hogan match.. or even HHH

 

[Manee]

Oh boy, WM28...it's on!

Wow. A very long time away, but we'll see how this plays out! Absolutely awesome of WWE to try this - a lot can change in a year.

 

[Athlai]

Give Taker a good opponent and I may actually watch that Mania.

 

[sledger]

Very brave booking this, it really is a case of the E showing all their cards early on. If it is done well then this will be fantastic, as the hype it will generate will be enormous. Problem is though, as Manee has alluded to is that a lot can change in a year. Just hoping and praying that nothing bad happens like one of Rock/Cena get injured, that would put one hell of a proverbial spanner in the works. The last time I can remember anything like this happening is when Kennedy announced he would be cashing in money in the bank at WM only weeks after winning it....gives me a kind of "giving it the kiss of death" feeling....hopefully it will all be ok.

 

[Jono]

Haha that is so awesome. A 12 month build up. It's great.

Sting vs. Hogan for Starrcade 97 was similar (not quite 12 months, and it wasn't so clearly announced, but we all knew it was coming) and it had everyone on the edge of their seats.

Trying to think if the WWE have done something similar in the past. I have a hunch that when Savage won the title at Mania 4, they always had the idea of Hogan beating him for it at Mania 5, but there's no way I can prove that. It's obviously a different case anyway.