Players that are the most overated by CW posters.

[silentstriker]

Also, and just throwing this out there, the people railing against the hype of Tendulkar have long surpassed - both in number and in their fervor - people who actually hype up Tendulkar.

On this forum of course, not overall.

 

[vcs]

Also, and just throwing this out there, the people railing against the hype of Tendulkar have long surpassed - both in number and in their fervor - people who actually hype up Tendulkar.

On this forum of course, not overall.

Yep.

 

[silentstriker]

Although, that rant was quality and I will steal it for use in future posts.

 

[smash84]

Tendulkar(Complex relationship with CW tbh. There are loads who overrate him but that also means the normal fan thinks tiwce before heaping OTT praise on him when compared to doing the same to say, Dravid.)

Sobers as a bowler(Okay, perhaps he wasn't as below average a bowler as the stats tell us, Maybe he was better than that but some make it sound like the Greek Goddess Hera stripped and danced evertime he bowled)

Ishant Sharma (He's not a once-in-a-lifetime talent because he beat Ponting thrice, srsly)

Afridi as an LO batsman(So much wrong with him, I don't know where to start)

Also, and just throwing this out there, the people railing against the hype of Tendulkar have long surpassed - both in number and in their fervor - people who actually hype up Tendulkar.

On this forum of course, not overall.

AWTA

 

[vcs]

As for the question posed in the thread title, Chris Tremlett.

 

[Maximus0723]

As for the question posed in the thread title, Chris Tremlett.

In before your ban...

 

[Bun]

A lot of pre 90s players.

 

[Teja.]

As for the question posed in the thread title, Chris Tremlett.

Post reported

 

[Migara]

Iam Botham and WG Grace

 

[Migara]

What if Benaud also has Sachin as the second greatest batsman ever?




Also, Sachin's haircut is clearly world class, it's just typical anti-Sachin sentiment that implies anything else.

Nah, statsguru is like AIDS for the cricketing pundits. Ig Benaud said that Ashraful is the second greatest so is he. How can statsguru challenge the great man?

 

[morgieb]

Swap the Aussies for Blewett, Reiffel and Elliot and i may agree the English were better.

Anyone who says the english players were better than the great Aussie ones is talking out of their arse, only English player who would have got in the Aussie side through the 90's is Thorpe.

He was before your time, but one person actually did think that. Partly because he takes FCA and FPT for granted too much.

 

[ankitj]

Overrated by CW posters? Tendulkar certainly isn't. Whoever thinks so is delusional. Hardly any of the Indian posters around here is a Tendulkar fan boy. I admire Murali and Ambrose most among the ones I have watched, HB and Blaze seem to have a crush on Lara, Bagapath is a die hard Gilchrist fan, Teja drools over Waqar and all-rounders. Who is a Tendulkar fan boy here, really?


As far as the question on this thread is concerned, my answer will be Adam Gilchrist. I am sorry, I don't consider wicketkeeper-batsmen all-rounders. Wicketkeeping is just a field position, albeit the most important one. If Dravid's 200 test catches combined with his batting record don't make him an ATG, neither should Gilchrist's wikcetkeeping make him an ATG.

FTR, he makes my all time world XI.

 

[smash84]

Overrated by CW posters? Tendulkar certainly isn't. Whoever thinks so is delusional. Hardly any of the Indian posters around here is a Tendulkar fan boy. I admire Murali and Ambrose most among the ones I have watched, HB and Blaze seem to have a crush on Lara, Bagapath is a die hard Gilchrist fan, Teja drools over Waqar and all-rounders. Who is a Tendulkar fan boy here, really?


As far as the question on this thread is concerned, my answer will be Adam Gilchrist. I am sorry, I don't consider wicketkeeper-batsmen all-rounders. Wicketkeeping is just a field position albeit the most important one. If Dravid's 200 test catches combined with his batting record don't make him an ATG, neither should Gilchrist's wikcetkeeping make him an ATG.

FTR, he makes my all time world XI.

Well said

 

[vcs]

Overrated by CW posters? Tendulkar certainly isn't. Whoever thinks so is delusional. Hardly any of the Indian posters around here is a Tendulkar fan boy. I admire Murali and Ambrose most among the ones I have watched, HB and Blaze seem to have a crush on Lara, Bagapath is a die hard Gilchrist fan, Teja drools over Waqar and all-rounders. Who is a Tendulkar fan boy here, really?


As far as the question on this thread is concerned, my answer will be Adam Gilchrist. I am sorry, I don't consider wicketkeeper-batsmen all-rounders. Wicketkeeping is just a field position albeit the most important one. If Dravid's 200 test catches combined with his batting record don't make him an ATG, neither should Gilchrist's wikcetkeeping make him an ATG.

FTR, he makes my all time world XI.

Jono and yours truly.

 

[benchmark00]

Overrated by CW posters? Tendulkar certainly isn't. Whoever thinks so is delusional. Hardly any of the Indian posters around here is a Tendulkar fan boy. I admire Murali and Ambrose most among the ones I have watched, HB and Blaze seem to have a crush on Lara, Bagapath is a die hard Gilchrist fan, Teja drools over Waqar and all-rounders. Who is a Tendulkar fan boy here, really?


As far as the question on this thread is concerned, my answer will be Adam Gilchrist. I am sorry, I don't consider wicketkeeper-batsmen all-rounders. Wicketkeeping is just a field position, albeit the most important one. If Dravid's 200 test catches combined with his batting record don't make him an ATG, neither should Gilchrist's wikcetkeeping make him an ATG.

FTR, he makes my all time world XI.

Out of interest, what is your criteria for 'all time great' if it's not the 'would they be in the best team ever assembled' test?

 

[ankitj]

Out of interest, what is your criteria for 'all time great' if it's not the 'would they be in the best team ever assembled' test?

There's no strict definition of 'all time great'. So let's leave that aside. I don't think Gilchrist should be regarded as one of the 10 or 20 greatest cricketers as he is regarded by many here.

 

[ankitj]

Jono and yours truly.

Neither of you show it really . In an annoying way, I mean.

 

[benchmark00]

There's no strict definition of 'all time great'. So let's leave that aside. I don't think Gilchrist should be regarded as one of the 10 or 20 greatest cricketers as he is regarded by many here.

Yet he makes your final XI?

So by definition, there hasn't ever been an ATG keeper and probably won't be in this life time?

I think that's silly. Being a wicket keeper and a batsman takes a great deal of ability. In your opinion he may not be an ATG in both, or either, of those disciplines, however in context and combined, he is definitely an ATG.

 

[ankitj]

Yet he makes your final XI?

So by definition, there hasn't ever been an ATG keeper and probably won't be in this life time?

Not enough to make my top 20 or 25 cricketers of all time, no.

Using your line of reasoning, before Gilchrist arrived on the scene, someone would have to make an all time world XI as a wicket-keeper? So he had to be ranked in top 20-25 cricketers? After Gilchrist, he vanished from top 20-25 all together rather than slipping by one position? Sounds weird to me.

For any wicketkeeper to be put in that bracket, including Gilchrist, there should be an argument better than that he makes the all time XI.

 

[GIMH]

Tendulkar has hardly got a mention on this forum for a long time TBH. Don't know why you always think he's the one who has to carry the can for the statsguru-based comparisons that are in vogue lately.

Statsguru comparisons aren't in vogue lately, they've always been the CW way.

I'm not a stats guy but also not as stupidly anti-stats as some (I believe the numbers are important but shouldn't be used as the sole basis for an argument). I struggle with the concept of labelling a player overrated based purely off his numbers. I don't think you have to have watched a player to form an opinion but research should extend beyond filtering their averages if you want to declare widely held ATGs as overrated. Challenging the status quo is good but not without multiple layers of information backing up your opinion.

EDIT - Vcs, only the first sentence was a reply to you