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*Official* English Football Season 2010-11
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Nate
You'll Never Walk Alone
Stating the obvious here I feel. I guess it's just an over-reaction. "We need to be seen to be doing something, spendspendspend!"
Would take Carroll over Bendtner every day of the week though.
Johnners
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Should've pocketed it, and reassessed at the end of the season. Stupid stupid move
dontcloseyoureyes
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I don't mind the signing, everyone has been raving about how they need a second striker of quality for seasons. Selling Torres and signing Suarez does nothing, so in theory the signing is sound. Having watched a ****ing ****load of Carroll this season (one of my roommates is a Newcastle fan, the other is a City fan fyi) I think he's a very good player and will do well for Liverpool. He holds the ball up very well, forces his involvement in play and finishes pretty clinically for a man of his size. IMO he's comfortably a better player than Bendtner, who for all his talent and skill goes missing for chunks of 50 minutes at a time. When City play Newcastle, I genuinely fear him, even before they went down and he dominated us despite the team being atrocious. I've never feared Bendtner and I seriously doubt i ever will.
However, the fee is absurd and they should've either waited until the summer and paid 20ish or went for a cheaper option if they could have (Fabiano, for instance). The problem there is that there's risk in bringing someone from overseas, especially a Brazillian, and I doubt they wanted to bring two South American strikers in from foreign leagues.
In the end, I think Liverpool win from this deal. They rid themselves of a crocked player who wanted out for a stupidly large amount of cash, they brought in two players who are comfortably better than their current options and make them a better team. They desperately need an overhaul at back and middle though. Word is they enquired about Micah which means they're thinking about it as well. Good signs for Liverpool moving forward IMO.
However, the fee is absurd and they should've either waited until the summer and paid 20ish or went for a cheaper option if they could have (Fabiano, for instance). The problem there is that there's risk in bringing someone from overseas, especially a Brazillian, and I doubt they wanted to bring two South American strikers in from foreign leagues.
In the end, I think Liverpool win from this deal. They rid themselves of a crocked player who wanted out for a stupidly large amount of cash, they brought in two players who are comfortably better than their current options and make them a better team. They desperately need an overhaul at back and middle though. Word is they enquired about Micah which means they're thinking about it as well. Good signs for Liverpool moving forward IMO.
Nate
You'll Never Walk Alone
Haha, I don't know, third highest scorer so far this season? Bendtner might take a bag or do something flashy from time to time, but we need a consistent front man who can hold the ball up.
Again, the money is ridiculous, but the player choices are correct for mine.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
As a City fan I liked our January. Got our main business out of the way early, and went about ridding ourselves of dead weight, albeit mostly through loans. Hopefully players like RSC, Ade and others do well for their clubs and they make the switches, it's in both parties best interests for that to happen.
As a massive Torres fan I was kinda hoping he would be a City player at some stage but I think I can live with that. Dzeko, Super Mario and Tevez with Silva behind is lethal enough for me.
As a massive Torres fan I was kinda hoping he would be a City player at some stage but I think I can live with that. Dzeko, Super Mario and Tevez with Silva behind is lethal enough for me.
Johnners
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Mmm, I have no doubt he'll improve the team with what he offers. Just that at price tag....seems a bit stupid if it means they have to forgo signings that would improve the team in other areas because of how much they overpaid for Carroll.
Oh well, time will tell I guess.
Oh well, time will tell I guess.
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Bendtner's stats for Arsenal are certainly no worse than Carroll's for Newcastle (31 goals in 80 appearances, including the Championship). Plus Bendtner has played in some big CL/WC games, scored at places like the Camp Nou etc. He's just one year older than Carroll. No matter how you try to dress it up, this is pure insanity. I know there's a premium on English players, but this takes it to hilarious limits.
Ausage
Cricketer Of The Year
Already injured
Still really hoping he stays fit. He's an great player when he's playing. You reckon City will let him go for reasonable money in the summer if Rovers want him? (assuming he shows he's still a good player ofc)
duffer
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Exactly, he's done more at club and International level despite being at a far more difficult club to get into the first team and against consistently more difficult opponents. Just because he's not some blood and guts Geordie saviour doesn't mean jack, if he was on the market a ton of top clubs would be after him. He's going to start banging in goals at a Champions League level soon enough once he finds a club where he'll get a run in the first team. Whether it's at Arsenal is a whole different story but he'll be doing it.
Too many unknowns with Carroll, especially with regards to how much of a tard he is off the pitch, and with Suarez too. The Dutch league stars who've seemed to play well in England all tend to be Dutch (Stam, DB10, van Persie etc) while the foreigners like Kezman etc are more unpredictable. Liverpool did well to get 50m for Torres, but not sure they've spent it well at all.
dontcloseyoureyes
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I reckon we'll let him go for anything. I reckon the bosses would pay you to take his wages off our books. Have to lol @ the injury though.Already injured
Still really hoping he stays fit. He's an great player when he's playing. You reckon City will let him go for reasonable money in the summer if Rovers want him? (assuming he shows he's still a good player ofc)
dontcloseyoureyes
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And in regards to the Bendtner stuff, all I'm really saying is that I've never thought to myself "****, Niklas has the ball" when playing Arsenal but I certainly have against Newcastle. Make of that what you will but I'd take Carroll over Bendtner regardless of record and that's my personal feeling. The money involved is stupid on all levels. We're glossing over the fact that Chelsea just paid nearly 60 mill for Torres!
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When Torres is fit/in form, I'd put him comfortably among the top 2-3 strikers in world football. His form between 2007-09 was easily comparable to the best foreign players to have played in the Premier League IMO (van Nistelrooy, Henry etc.). Agreed, it's a huge gamble considering his recent fitness record, but if Chelsea can coax him back to those levels, he'd probably be worth it. Still, justifying a 60 million fee is going to take some doing. Atleast 3-4 years scoring 30 goals a season.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
£35m is undoubtedly paying over the odds, but it was a case of needs must if Torres wanted to leave.
I do wonder what the Liverpool fans reactoin would've been if Hodgson had been in charge and made those transfers though.
Oh, and for the record Caroll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bendtner.
I do wonder what the Liverpool fans reactoin would've been if Hodgson had been in charge and made those transfers though.
Oh, and for the record Caroll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bendtner.
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Think of it this way.. would Liverpool fans (even taking into consideration his 2010 form and his injuries) have even considered swapping him for Andy Carroll + 15 million or so a week back? You'd have been laughed out of town.
I think Suarez and N'Gog (I think he's a decent backup striker) would have been enough to tide them over till the summer, and then they could have rebuilt the team, or looked at other options to replace Torres. This season's pretty much a write-off anyway.
I think Suarez and N'Gog (I think he's a decent backup striker) would have been enough to tide them over till the summer, and then they could have rebuilt the team, or looked at other options to replace Torres. This season's pretty much a write-off anyway.