G.I.Joe
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A topic that'd make interesting discussion IMO: Which is better - Gavaskar's record against the West Indies or Tendulkar's record against Australia? Tests only.
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Which cricketer has the most complete record?
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Maximus0723
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McGrath's record is amazing.
smash84
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I think there should be a separate for this topic.
Ikki
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Neither had particularly great records when they faced their best attacks. I'd say Tendulkar's record is a bit more impressive though.
G.I.Joe
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Chances are, in true CW style it'd be used to denigrate both batsmen. There are a lot of people on the forums who live for that purpose.
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Maximus0723
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Yea I agree. Warne was injured or out of form or both for almost all the games.
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Since when was Warne a problem?
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Yeah, but the proposal was not Tendulkar's record vs. McGrath, it was Tendulkar vs. Australia.
Maximus0723
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Lara just got too many chances in his big innings when McG played.
The Warne comment was sarcasm.
The Warne comment was sarcasm.
Ikki
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The reason people use WIndies and Australia for comparison is because of an inherent reliance/understanding of the fact that they have had all-time great attacks. When Tendulkar averages 42 in the 7 matches where both McGrath and Warne played it shows his fantastic average against Australia comes in the other 24 matches Australia didn't have an all-time great attack equivalent to that of the WIndies. Surely this is the point otherwise one may have well just named S.Africa.
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They were the best teams of both players' generation. AFAIC, the presence or absence of one bowler should not be used to determine whether the attack was up to scratch or not.
Ikki
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They were the best teams of both players' generations because of their bowlers. Tendulkar faced them both in only 7 matches of the 31 he played against Australia. He played 17 matches where either one of their all-time greats bowled. If Australia had to play with an understrength attack such as that which Tendulkar regularly faced we wouldn't have been the best side in the world...that's kind of the point. And it's important to note otherwise you're equating his efforts with someone like Lara's who more regularly did face the best Aussie attack.
The likes of Gillespie, Kasper, Lee, Hughes, Reiffel et al were very good bowlers but never all-time great attacks without Warne/McGrath. If we didn't have them it's likely S.Africa would have been the best team in the world. It's akin to rating batsmen based on their runs scored against Australia after Warne/McGrath retired simply because we still had the #1 ranking. I guess you can do it but it is misleading.
The likes of Gillespie, Kasper, Lee, Hughes, Reiffel et al were very good bowlers but never all-time great attacks without Warne/McGrath. If we didn't have them it's likely S.Africa would have been the best team in the world. It's akin to rating batsmen based on their runs scored against Australia after Warne/McGrath retired simply because we still had the #1 ranking. I guess you can do it but it is misleading.
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centurymaker
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YouTube - Sachin Tendulkar 171 Indians v England Lions Highlights
Found this vid. Tendulakr scored a magnificent 171 against the england A in 2007 before teh test series in england,
so i'm just wondering what went wrong after that 171 because he looked quite avg in the test series?
Found this vid. Tendulakr scored a magnificent 171 against the england A in 2007 before teh test series in england,
so i'm just wondering what went wrong after that 171 because he looked quite avg in the test series?
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Bring McGrath out of retirement then, because Tendulkar was out of form/injured whenever he faced him.
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Did quite OK in that series IMO, scored runs whenever they were needed after the customary failure at Lords. It was a combined batting effort from the team, only Kumble scored a 100 in the series IIRC but we still put up some big scores.
bagapath
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sachin played them very well and also scored well against mcdermott, reid, mcgill, stuart clarke and mitchell johnson. he scored hundred after hundred against all of them, and against mcgrath andd warne too whenever they played against him.
considering the australian batsmen's reputation against india is built on them scoring against much much lesser bowler units including zaheer, bhaji, kumble, agarkar etc - and in the case of ponting only in australia - sachin doing great against so many very good bowlers everywhere and winning a man of the series award against two ATGs and also scoring very well against them in 2001 makes it a clean sweep for him against australia.
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