South Africa's 1992 World Cup campaign & Big Mac's claim

[Top_Cat]

Was just the start of many (many) years of Saffie cricketing denial, tbh.

Getting all my hits in before they schtonker the Aussies this year.

 

[smash84]

MacMillan engaging in some revisionism here. As has been said, the rain rule definitely put the squeeze on Pakistan in their match against South Africa. Mind you, South Africa's attack was strong and Pakistan had a few out-of-form batters at the time so even without the rain, it would have been a close match.

It did put the squeeze on pak. Even then Imran and Inzi were batting extremely well and had the rain not messed up the scoring rate for Pakistan, Pakistan had a decent chance.

Unless I’m mistaken, South Africa never played Pak (ever) before the 1992 WC. So not sure what mental edge they held over them…

lol......so true

 

[Xuhaib]

all teams got dicked by the rain rule atleast once at the 92 world cup, reckon a SA-Pak final would have been a closer affair.

 

[weldone]

I was wondering who the favorites were before the start of the WC's? (with class, form, venue in mind)

1975 - WI
1979 - WI
1983 - WI
1987 - India
1992 - ?
1996 - Aus? SL?
1999 - SA?
2003 - Aus
2007 - Aus
2011 - India?

No favorites come to mind for 1992. Aus were going well before the Cup, I guess. SA came back with a bang too, as expected.

 

[G.I.Joe]

1975 - Australia
1979 - West Indies
1983 - West Indies
1987 - India
1992 - ?
1996 - Pakistan
1999 - South Africa
2003 - Australia
2007 - Australia
2011 - India

IMO

 

[smash84]

I think Pakistan were more favorites going into the 1987 WC than India. That Pakistan side was fantastically well led by Imran.

In 1996 I don't think Pakistan were the favorites. South Africa were very strong at that time and the WI victory over them in the quarter finals was a kind of an upset.

The rest of the list I would agree with GI.

This time around India are the favorites

 

[wpdavid]

1975 - Australia
1979 - West Indies
1983 - West Indies
1987 - India
1992 - ?
1996 - Pakistan
1999 - South Africa
2003 - Australia
2007 - Australia
2011 - India

IMO

Aus were probably favourites in 1992 - holders, a better side than when they won it in 1987 + home advantage were pretty persuasive arguments iirc.

 

[shankar]

Regardless of how strong our batting line-up is, I can't see how we can be favourites with our bowling especially given that the quarter-finals are going to be knock-out matches as well.

 

[Quaggas]

1975 - Australia
1979 - West Indies
1983 - West Indies
1987 - India
1992 - ?
1996 - Pakistan
1999 - South Africa
2003 - Australia
2007 - Australia
2011 - India

IMO

So SA "choked" once, against an Australian side in ascendancy to arguably the best side in modern times, because of one player's balls-up.

And I agree, India are clear favorites this time around.

 

[Top_Cat]

So SA "choked" once, against an Australian side in ascendancy to arguably the best side in modern times, because of one player's balls-up.

Believe the choker tag really took hold after they lost to the WI in the 1996 WC QF, especially since they pissed and moaned about it, that the format was unfair, etc.

 

[Quaggas]

Believe the choker tag really took hold after they lost to the WI in the 1996 WC QF, especially since they pissed and moaned about it, that the format was unfair, etc.

Choking has to do with when you lose in a situation where you were expected to win, with high probability, not whether you whine about an outcome.

Exercise: x ~ N(x0,sigma), y ~ N(y0,sigma), how many trials are necessary to state x0>y0 at a 90% confidence interval?

 

[Top_Cat]

Eh, was just saying the tag of choker took hold. If they'd taken the loss more gracefully, I'm sure people would have been more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt. Instead, heaps of people dogpiled on them when they lost to an inferior opponent, calling it a choke even when they had injuries or just had a bad day.

 

[Quaggas]

Eh, was just saying the tag of choker took hold. If they'd taken the loss more gracefully, I'm sure people would have been more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt. Instead, heaps of people dogpiled on them when they lost to an inferior opponent, calling it a choke even when they had injuries or just had a bad day.

Naturally, and I apologize if it seemed as if I was having a go at your answer. Just my frustration having a bunch of hi-skoolers making pronouncements when they wouldn't know a random variable if it hit them between the eyes.

 

[Top_Cat]

Less invested in accurately labelling them chokers, more about giving them **** for being whiny bitches.

 

[Uppercut]

Can't believe threads are now deteriorating into discussions on levels of statistical significance before I even get my filthy hands on them. It's getting worse.

 

[Smudge]

all teams got dicked by the rain rule atleast once at the 92 world cup, reckon a SA-Pak final would have been a closer affair.

Agree with this. We got dicked when it didn't rain in the semi-final when you were 4/140.

 

[vcs]

Regardless of how strong our batting line-up is, I can't see how we can be favourites with our bowling especially given that the quarter-finals are going to be knock-out matches as well.

AWTA. You usually need your bowlers to win atleast one knockout match for you, because no matter how good your batsmen are, they won't score 275+ every match.

 

[smash84]

Agree with this. We got dicked when it didn't rain in the semi-final when you were 4/140.

 

[honestbharani]

More like robbed by their inability to get 5 runs off 4 balls with 3 wickets remaining TBH.

That last ball was actually one of the most hilarios things I have seen in cricket... And that, as an Indian fan.. Watching Srinath slog the ball to the deep and not run, Steve Waugh drop the sitter and then these guys scamper 2 runs and try for the third with the throw well on the way...

 

[Xuhaib]

I was wondering who the favorites were before the start of the WC's? (with class, form, venue in mind)

1975 - WI
1979 - WI
1983 - WI
1987 - India
1992 - ?
1996 - Aus? SL?
1999 - SA?
2003 - Aus
2007 - Aus
2011 - India?

No favorites come to mind for 1992. Aus were going well before the Cup, I guess. SA came back with a bang too, as expected.

Pakistan was probably the favourite in 87 they had just smashed India 5-1 in India the previous year.In 92 Aus was probably the most favored side going in