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Australia - the aftermath of the Ashes
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Furball
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Generally you'll make your fortune by being a good international cricketer though.
tooextracool
International Coach
Based entirely on these stats I'd personally go for something like this:
Hussey
Cosgrove
Khawaja
Watson
Clarke
Ponting (c)
Haddin
Siddle
Okeefe
Bollinger
Copeland
Time to move on from the likes of Johnson who for my money may have the odd good day but is not going to ever be a consistent threat at the test match level with his action and he's now 29. Obviously I'd like for someone else other than Ponting to be in the side but it doesnt look like there is another option at the moment and he certainly still seems to be highly respected within his own side. Perhaps it would make sense to make someone like Khwaja vice captain and hope that he can take over in the not too distant future.
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Not in my house.
vcs
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Didn't he score a match-winning fourth-innings hundred at SA in 2006? Hodge should have certainly had a go after he called it a day.
Redbacks
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Clarke in the frist innings has struggles against decent pace attacks such as England and RSA. This shows up in his average of ~24 runs less in the first innings v the second against them. 1st innings @38 and 2nd Innings @62 for an overall of 47 slightly above career.
-> Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
IMO this series and our top order failures have exposed this weakness once again. Coming in at 4/200 is a totally different ball game to 4/20. Fortunately for him there is a large enough void of decent pace attacks and can perform well against the slower ball which he is a very good at, allowing these feats to override the slumps when we do front up to a dominant side. Thing is we will be the weak link for a years to come so it will be interesting to see if he can adapt to more early arrivals at the crease.
-> Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
IMO this series and our top order failures have exposed this weakness once again. Coming in at 4/200 is a totally different ball game to 4/20. Fortunately for him there is a large enough void of decent pace attacks and can perform well against the slower ball which he is a very good at, allowing these feats to override the slumps when we do front up to a dominant side. Thing is we will be the weak link for a years to come so it will be interesting to see if he can adapt to more early arrivals at the crease.
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GotSpin
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I'm still of the opinion that in the majority of cases only the players incapable of playing test cricket want to become a 20/20 specialist. Dave Warner a classic example
Furthermore, since 20/20 relies on eye more so than technique, we'll start seeing players drastically fall away in their early 30s and late 20s if they continue to pursue with only 20/20, providing more reasons to pursue test cricket first and foremost.
pup11
International Coach
Australia: The road ahead
This Ashes series has been nothing short of a disaster for the Australian team and fans alike, so the big question probably is, what do we do now!? Persist with the same bunch or do we bite the bullet and bring in more youngsters!?
The next obvious goal should be the Ashes in 2013 and tbt I can't see many of the players from the current team making it given their age and form fluctuations.
Think with the next test series being as far away as August, the time is also right for the likes of Hussey and Katich to hang their boots as well.
The biggest mistake we made during this Ashes series was that, we shunned some players who were part of the team through the Ashes build-up and then brought in rooks in the middle of the series, this was a decision that was always likely to backfire and so it did.
Therefore, AFAIC giving opportunities to long term prospects is vital and change in the off-field nonsense of recent times would also go a long way in achieving that.
This Ashes series has been nothing short of a disaster for the Australian team and fans alike, so the big question probably is, what do we do now!? Persist with the same bunch or do we bite the bullet and bring in more youngsters!?
The next obvious goal should be the Ashes in 2013 and tbt I can't see many of the players from the current team making it given their age and form fluctuations.
Think with the next test series being as far away as August, the time is also right for the likes of Hussey and Katich to hang their boots as well.
The biggest mistake we made during this Ashes series was that, we shunned some players who were part of the team through the Ashes build-up and then brought in rooks in the middle of the series, this was a decision that was always likely to backfire and so it did.
Therefore, AFAIC giving opportunities to long term prospects is vital and change in the off-field nonsense of recent times would also go a long way in achieving that.
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And batsmen from South Africa
vic_orthdox
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Threads merged.
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Spark
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Absolutely disagree that the next goal should be the Ashes 2013.
We have to forget about the Ashes for a while and simply concentrate on getting a good test side. If we try to "plan three years ahead" too much we'll end up recycling and churning through too many players in the quest for a magic formula that we'll never find.
What we need to do is focus, as a test team, on the series in Sri Lanka, then after that on the series in South Africa, and then on the series against NZ, then against the series against India. If we do that, put together our best team to win test matches as they come then IMO by the time 2013 rolls around we will have a strong, settled lineup with wins under their belt and that should give us the best chance to beat England in England.
But for now - just don't think about the Ashes for a while.
Our next goal as a test side, simply put, is to not get flogged in SL in August. That should be it.
We have to forget about the Ashes for a while and simply concentrate on getting a good test side. If we try to "plan three years ahead" too much we'll end up recycling and churning through too many players in the quest for a magic formula that we'll never find.
What we need to do is focus, as a test team, on the series in Sri Lanka, then after that on the series in South Africa, and then on the series against NZ, then against the series against India. If we do that, put together our best team to win test matches as they come then IMO by the time 2013 rolls around we will have a strong, settled lineup with wins under their belt and that should give us the best chance to beat England in England.
But for now - just don't think about the Ashes for a while.
Our next goal as a test side, simply put, is to not get flogged in SL in August. That should be it.
pup11
International Coach
The teams you named are definitely no easy beats, and with the current team we are more or less likely to lose to these sides. This current lot has lost the last 6 of their 9 tests so surely changes need to be made and younger talent needs to be introduced.