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*Official* Third Test at the WACA

Spark

Spark

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I also think that with Clarke he's been hampered by the fact that he's much less likely to face spin early on
 
morgieb

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GeraintIsMyHero said:
What's the highest people think England can chase?

Australia might even have enough now.
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Still think given past history that even if we set ~ 400, it might not be enough to win. We'd ideally want another 100 on the board at least, but it might be even more.
 
Debris

Debris

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It is not really something Australia needs to worry about. They can bat another day and a half if they want so might as well make it really impossible before declaring.
 
Spark

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Just bat all of tomorrow I would think. Maybe bat a little bit into Day 4, but if we bat well all of tomorrow then we shouldn't need to do much batting on Sunday.
 
GIMH

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Son Of Coco said:
I think the point is whether a batsman should get out to a ball in a certain area. If Prior looks bad against the short ball then it's what you'd expect to happen. He was unlucky that particular ball ended up on the stumps, but not that he got out to a short ball.

I can understand why Prior played the shot he did to the ball he got today given how he had played the short ball. I can't understand what Clarke was thinking playing the ball the way he did yesterday in an area that shouldn't trouble anyone. If he'd have been pinned by a short ball, given the way he's played them, then I could see the logic.

I'm not quite sure what you expect, to be honest, I can see the merit in Ponting's 1st innings dismissal. Hughes too, in both innings. Clarke's was poor...everyone on here said that, it was a poor shot to a nothing ball.
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Well I'm not happy with the shot Prior played, I think he looked like a tool and am disgusted he got out like that - but I'm not surprised by it. And I think there's what you're missing. You're only looking from the Australian perspective in each instance. For Prior's, you're just saying it was good bowling, and for Clarke's that it was bad batting. Yeah sure, both are correct, but so are the inverse.

Clarke's a ****** and should have left it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't good bowling to put it there, given how he's got out so far.

Anyway, we could go on all day so let's just agree that I win the argument and move on.
 
Ruckus

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pasag said:
Was Holding watching?
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Haha yeah, I think Bumble commented about how all he had seen Johnson bowl was rubbish as well. Revenge is sweet.

Btw do people think Johnson will be able to swing the ball as much in the second innings? I don't really get how this stuff works, why was the old ball swinging so much anyway when the overhead conditions are absolutely dry and fine? Is it something to do with the grass on the pitch creating 'humidity' above the surface?
 
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Very important for Watson and Hussey to add atleast a hundred more tomorrow as they're the ones in form. After that, the rest can basically come in and throw their bats around, without much pressure. Australia will need 450+ to completely shut England out, you'd think.
 
Jacknife

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DeusEx said:
Haha yeah, I think Bumble commented about how all he had seen Johnson bowl was rubbish as well. Revenge is sweet.

Btw do people think Johnson will be able to swing the ball as much in the second innings? I don't really get how this stuff works, why was the old ball swinging so much anyway when the overhead conditions are absolutely dry and fine? Is it something to do with the grass on the pitch creating 'humidity' above the surface?
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Me neither but England will be hoping it was a one off and we get the Johnson from the past year back.
 
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DeusEx said:
Haha yeah, I think Bumble commented about how all he had seen Johnson bowl was rubbish as well. Revenge is sweet.

Btw do people think Johnson will be able to swing the ball as much in the second innings? I don't really get how this stuff works, why was the old ball swinging so much anyway when the overhead conditions are absolutely dry and fine? Is it something to do with the grass on the pitch creating 'humidity' above the surface?
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Yeah, I never understand how stuff like this works either. :laugh:
 
wpdavid

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Pizzorno said:
I knew all this media ****iness would come to bite us on the arse. I don't care what anyone says about this Aussie side, it's still Australia. They simply don't just lay die down and get walloped, and especially at home too. It really irritated me when our commentators and press said we had another brilliant day when in actual fact we didn't; we had them 69/5 and let them off the hook.

All in all, this could very well be the day England lost the Ashes. I'm not saying it will be, because we can still even win this Test and we can also bounce back from defeat to win the final two. But I just had to make a point as to how arrogant it was to suggest that Australia just had nothing left in them and we'd just walk all over them. People forget we're still England.
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Spot on: it pissed me no end to see idiots like Gough announcing that we'd win the series 4 - 0. Anyone with more than half a brain knew that we're not as outstanding as some would have us believe. And also that Aus aren't nearly as hopeless as they looked at Adelaide.

And yes, you're dead right about Day 1. Sessions 2 & 3 smacked of us thinking the job was done because it was a similar score to Adelaide.
 
TumTum

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The ball has been swinging for everyone most of the time. The difference being Johnson being able to use it the best.
 
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TBH, I don't think it was a case of the English batsmen getting complacent at all, Johnson's spell today would have decimated most batting lineups I've seen. And I think it was mostly Finn who was responsible for Australia getting a few extra lower-order runs in the first innings, not complacency.
 
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