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Is Laxman a great batsman?

honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
weldone said:
Even Chanderpaul was the best batsman in the world for a small period, arguably. I don't think that matters too much, more important is for how long one was there.

I have shown a time period of a mindboggling 11 years (1996-2006). Being at least as good as Tendulkar in away test matches for more than a decade in itself puts someone into contension for AT greatness.
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lol.. dind't think you would find a way to counter me when I was agreeing with you.. :laugh:


But yeah, I do think being the best in the world for a period of time counts.. And I do think RD was n contention of #1 for far longer than Shiv.. so there you go. :)
 
J

jeevan

International 12th Man
Jono said:
Why is Greg Chappell and Sunny that much better than Dravid? I don't mind saying he's better, but why is he in another category?

So easy to discount Dravid because of his last 3 years, but that's silly, and just as easy to do it with Viv.

He averages a whopping 55.43 outside of India! That's amazing.

To put that in perspective, Lara averages 47.80 outside of the West Indies.
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Averages 56 inside of India excluding his home ground (Bangalore) and the next closest one (Chennai). Bangalore, where he's had 15 innings at average of 22 with no 100's, screws his record up, even pre-slump.
 
G.I.Joe

G.I.Joe

International Coach
weldone said:
I don't remember a test match which India should have won, but drew due to Dravid's slow batting.

I remember many tests which India should have lost, but drew due to Dravid's batting.

I remember a few tests which India should have lost, but won due to Dravid's batting (some of them coming against tough opponents and/or in tough conditions).
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Well said.
 
TumTum

TumTum

Banned
weldone said:
I don't remember a test match which India should have won, but drew due to Dravid's slow batting.

I remember many tests which India should have lost, but drew due to Dravid's batting.

I remember a few tests which India should have lost, but won due to Dravid's batting (some of them coming against tough opponents and/or in tough conditions).
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I really don't care about that. I am talking about the individual and his qualities. I think many of Dravid fans here (and oh boy are there many) can admit that it is an absolute bore watching him bat.

But this is the most dis-service to the team when he doesn't get a high score. For example when India are in trouble, you can always be guaranteed not to see a counter-attacking innings from him and the bowlers feel comfortable and work him over. Then he finally gets out at 20 from like 100 balls. Despite (in his hay day) being a great blocker, facing as many balls as he does just increases the likeliness that he will get out before scoring many runs. The opposition can get comfortable and do not panic and work their plan.

Guys like Tendulkar and Ponting on the other hand show many qualities, many of which guys like Laxman and Dravid don't have:
1. Aesthetics (Laxman)
2. Run Machines
3. Counter-Attacking ability (sometimes Laxman)
4. When the going gets tough, the tough get going (Dravid & Laxman)
5. Scoring runs when out of form
6. Perform at different conditions and places (Dravid)
 
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Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
TumTum said:
I really don't care about that. I am talking about the individual and his qualities. I think many of Dravid fans here (and oh boy are there many) can admit that it is an absolute bore watching him bat.

But this is the most dis-service to the team when he doesn't get a high score. For example when India are in trouble, you can always be guaranteed not to see a counter-attacking innings from him and the bowlers feel comfortable and work him over. Then he finally gets out at 20 from like 100 balls. Despite (in his hay day) being a great blocker, facing as many balls as he does just increases the likeliness that he will get out before scoring many runs. The opposition can get comfortable and do not panic and work their plan.

Guys like Tendulkar and Ponting on the other hand show many qualities, many of which guys like Laxman and Dravid don't have:
1. Aesthetics (Laxman)
2. Run Machines
3. Counter-Attacking ability (sometimes Laxman)
4. When the going gets tough, the tough get going (Dravid & Laxman)
5. Scoring runs when out of form
6. Perform at different conditions and places (Dravid)
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Meh at breaking down things into different qualities. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and being able to skin a cat several different ways doesn't make you a bet cat-skinner than the guy who does it once to the highest standard. Dravid scores lots of runs. That's what counts.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
TumTum said:
Good on Dravid. Doesn't mean he is on the same level with Tendulkar and Ponting though.
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Well, if he scores the same amount of runs under the same circumstances.. then yes it does. I don't care if does it aesthetically or counter-attacks or scores when out of form if his overall output is the same. I'm not saying it is, but if it was I think disqualifying him based on aesthetics or strike rate is just a massive cop out.
 
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centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
1. Aesthetics (Laxman)
2. Run Machines (Dravid)
3. Counter-Attacking ability (Laxman)
4. When the going gets tough, the tough get going (Dravid & Laxman)
5. Perform at different conditions and places (Dravid)
 
TumTum

TumTum

Banned
centurymaker said:
1. Aesthetics (Laxman)
2. Run Machines (Dravid)
3. Counter-Attacking ability (Laxman)
4. When the going gets tough, the tough get going (Dravid & Laxman)
5. Perform at different conditions and places (Dravid)
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You left out point 6, and I agree with what you have, my mistake I left out Dravid from point 2.

Anyways this proves my point that both Laxman and Dravid are not complete players. Therefore it is a joke to classify them with the other greats of the game.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
TumTum said:
You left out point 6, and I agree with what you have, my mistake I left out Dravid from point 2.

Anyways this proves my point that both Laxman and Dravid are not complete players. Therefore it is a joke to classify them with the other greats of the game.
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Well no-one is even close to as complete as Bradman, so do we have just the one great batsman then?
 
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