While we are on ER's, I just pull this up:
Nah. When you are looking at only "away" games there isn't so much difference. They both played only a handful. And I am not making an argument over performances against B/Z.
Warne's slightly better; although I'd say from the perspective of the finals he is a way in front. In the 99 tourney Warne pretty much saved our asses against S.Africa and blew Pakistan away in the final game.
You were worried with respect to the sample of having one playing a large amount of games in a country and one very little - wrt SL and Aus. I am pointing out to you that the same holds true for the aforementioned examples yet you had little reservation there.
Should also remember that one made Rajasthan Royals champions and the other played for the Chennai Super Kings. What Warne did in the IPL is akin to Maradona winning Serie A with Napoli.
C'mon, there is no comparison. IPL is, when we come down to it, a hit and giggle league, Serie A in Maradona's time was the best domestic league in the world, over 38 as opposed to 14 or so games. It was a good achievement, and sure, I was cheering for Rajasthan, but let's get some perspective. It won't figure in the top 20 list of Warne's career achievements.
This may be me always seeing more into what Warne does as a great fan of him; but it's no coincidence to me where both Smith and Watson have looked so much better mentally - as well as performance wise - after their Rajasthan stint.Warne won a tournament with Ravindra Jadeja. He's a miracle worker
Its not 'very little' though. 0.24 is a huge gulf in ER, especially considering that Murali played a pretty big chunk of his career on flatter pitches where 300 was often considered par. Their averages are almost comparable which suggests to me that you seem to be underestimating Murali's wicket-taking abilities. I'm not buying this whatsoever, I like Warne and Id prefer him to Murali in tests but the argument that he's even a patch on Murali in ODIs considering that Murali is arguably one of the greatest ODI bowlers ever is baseless.
Im not talking about playing in the subcontinent. Im talking about playing in a different era. Shane Warne played his last ODI in early 2003 which basically means his career is concentrated in the 90s. I think if you pulled up a statistic you'd find that most bowlers that bowled in the 90s had considerably lower ERs than your average bowler in the 2000s. ODI pitches have gotten flatter, batsmen have also gotten better the game has evolved. You didnt used to see 300 odd being scored every other game in the 90s for example.
Yes, Murali's economy rate has taken a beating in last few years (but he is still under 4!). I remember before the start of WC 2003, he had the second best ER after Pollock, and better than Akram and McGrath. Those were the only 4 who were under 4 back then.
Is that worldwide stats during their ODI careers?
Yeah, I tried limiting it to games only involving top 8 nations but didn't know how.
