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*Official* Australia in India 2010

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I agree on North but Hussey and Katich still perform. Katich has been our most consistent player. Hussey is just in a slump and should be given afew more performances before anyone writes him off. With all the doubts on number 6 i still wouldn't be against David Hussey getting a test debut. He's been a top shield player consistently.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I agree on North but Hussey and Katich still perform. Katich has been our most consistent player. Hussey is just in a slump and should be given afew more performances before anyone writes him off. With all the doubts on number 6 i still wouldn't be against David Hussey getting a test debut. He's been a top shield player consistently.
Hussey's been "in a slump" since before North even made his debut. He gets a lot of starts and just can't go on with them with the way he used to; he's been poor for ages. I'd like to retain him and bat him at six to give the team some solidarity there and also take advantage of his ability to bat well with the tail, but if he was dropped I'd find it difficult to call it a poor decision unless it was for Ferguson.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to howardj calling for Katich's head though; it's just another dire example of his "selection by birth certificate" method.
 

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I just don't see how him doing well in the ODIs will tell us anything we don't know, or show any sort of improvement. I mean it'd be a different case if we batted him at 3 if he peeled off four hundreds, but that won't happen. If he plays well it'll be with consistent scores resembling 60 (55) after coming with against defensive fields. I have complete faith in his ability to do that already; I doubt his ability to go on with the job in the unlimited overs scenario though. The area of his game that needs improving/proving isn't playing quality bowlers, but pushing on with fifties, and he won't get a big opportunity to do that with the way Australia use him in ODIs.

Ferguson's just odd. The quality of the bowling has always been secondary when he comes to him; he's going to produce very similar returns at all levels IMO because he usually gets himself out with a concentration lapse rather than actually being dismissed as such. IIRC he was never really outstanding in Adelaide grade cricket either and got selected mostly on aesthetics and potential to begin with.
Over complicating it, for mine. He's a good bat with a good technique and solid temperament who's scored runs at the top level against some good attacks. As HJ said, he's looked better the higher he's played so it's largely a question of form for me. If he shows some, it puts him in the running for a Test spot.

Would still have him behind Usman, Hughes, etc. though.
 

Prince EWS

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Over complicating it, for mine. He's a good bat with a good technique and solid temperament who's scored runs at the top level against some good attacks. As HJ said, he's looked better the higher he's played so it's largely a question of form for me. If he shows some, it puts him in the running for a Test spot.

Would still have him behind Usman, Hughes, etc. though.
Over-simplifying it, for mine. :p
 

howardj

International Coach
I agree on North but Hussey and Katich still perform. Katich has been our most consistent player. Hussey is just in a slump and should be given afew more performances before anyone writes him off. With all the doubts on number 6 i still wouldn't be against David Hussey getting a test debut. He's been a top shield player consistently.
What's the point of continuing with Hussey? It used to be only legends were persisted with once you reach 35 (guys like Ponting for example).

Hussey's averages in big-ticket series against serious opposition in the last couple of years:

- 17.00 (SA in Australia)
- 22.00 (SA in SA)
- 34.5 (Eng in Eng)

And in his last three series he has averaged 31, 23 and currently 22.50.

Why would you persist with a plus 35 year old when they are serving that up, and when we are losing big-ticket series?
 

vic_orthdox

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Look he's a decent player, but we're still talking about a guy with a FC average of 35, who plays half of his games at Adelaide.

Usman Khawaja = 32 innings for 5 hundreds.
Callum Ferguson = 88 innings for 4 hundreds.

Hundreds win Test matches.
 

howardj

International Coach
Hussey's been "in a slump" since before North even made his debut. He gets a lot of starts and just can't go on with them with the way he used to; he's been poor for ages. I'd like to retain him and bat him at six to give the team some solidarity there and also take advantage of his ability to bat well with the tail, but if he was dropped I'd find it difficult to call it a poor decision unless it was for Ferguson.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to howardj calling for Katich's head though; it's just another dire example of his "selection by birth certificate" method.
Hussey must go.

Maybe I went a bridge too far with Kat. But geez, the guy is 35. How long do people want guys to play on for? Even SWaugh, Border, Boon etc (legends, unlike Kat) were given the tap in their mid-to-late 30s). We have three 35+ guys in our top five. Plus there is a ready made young replacement who is averaging nigh 50 as a Test match opener. I'll give Kat the Ashes, and then stick a fork in him.
 

Prince EWS

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Hussey must go.

Maybe I went a bridge too far with Kat. But geez, the guy is 35. How long do people want guys to play on for? Even SWaugh, Border, Boon etc (legends, unlike Kat) were given the tap in their mid-to-late 30s). We have three 35+ guys in our top five. Plus there is a ready made young replacement who is averaging nigh 50 as a Test match opener. I'll give Kat the Ashes, and then stick a fork in him.
I really couldn't wouldn't care if three of our batsmen had received letters from the Queen if they were still the most likely to score runs in the next Test match. You don't move people on based on their birth certificates; you base the team on their likely output. Dropping Hussey would be justifiable, not because he's 35, but because he's been dire for ages. Dropping Katich would be insane. Dropping North is a must, but I bet if he was 22 and his likely replacement was 30 you'd be in here supporting him, or failing that posting more cliches and comparing it to the Steve Waugh dropping saying it'll improve him or whatever. Player development is what state cricket is for; the best players at the time should be in the Test team whether they're 12 or 85.
 
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Look he's a decent player, but we're still talking about a guy with a FC average of 35, who plays half of his games at Adelaide.

Usman Khawaja = 32 innings for 5 hundreds.
Callum Ferguson = 88 innings for 4 hundreds.

Hundreds win Test matches.
Yeah but it's not just the raw numbers. Averaging 50+ for SA should be like averaging 40+ for anyone else. Been an albatross around the neck of SA batters of years but remains true that scoring well for SA means a lot less than other runs. If Callum belts two tons before Christmas but has a run of outs for Australia in the ODI's, don't think he should be in contention for Tests at all.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
To be fair though the landscape of our batting problems has changed a bit - we've become a bit collapse-prone and for all the annoying things about Ferguson's batting, he's always been relatively consistent at getting starts. He's the polar opposite of Marcus North. I just think it'd send a terrible message back to state cricket that the quickest route into the Test team is to look like you're going to score runs and that actually scoring them is secondary.

It's one thing picking players who are unproven but have done well in their short careers and look the goods (like Hughes). It's another thing entirely to pick players who look like they'll perform but haven't done so yet (like Smith as a bowler or, to some extent, Ferguson as a FC batsman).
Correct.


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Harsh on Callum.

I think he's like an MJ Clarke - not a great FC record early doors, but every time he's dipped his toe into international waters via the shorter forms, he's looked the goods. That's a great sign, and like Clarke I would back him to succeed if dumped into the choppy waters of Test match cricket.
Yea i see the similarities. But lets not forget after Pups exciting start vs IND & NZ 04. He ran into problems in the 05 Ashes & 05/06 home summer & was dropped. Its until he went back to FC & scored his only career FC double hundred, that things changed for him.

Plus of course back then AUS didn't have all those batting collapses, so blooding a young talented bat could be risked.

The same shouldn't be done with Ferguson until he plays a strong FC seasons.
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
Calling for Katich to be gone is a bit harsh.

Have this terrible feeling that with the Ashes coming this summer the selectors won't want to be taking any 'chances' as such so Hussey will probably stay in the side.
 

Jayzamann

International Regular
Bare with him for this Ashes.... I still believe he is more dependable than many other batsman in Australian Line-up....
He'd need another Adelaide performance to justify his spot in future tours, imo.

Going back to the Mohali test, what was the crowd like at the end of the day? cricinfo describes it as "bumper".
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Calling for Katich to be gone is a bit harsh.

Have this terrible feeling that with the Ashes coming this summer the selectors won't want to be taking any 'chances' as such so Hussey will probably stay in the side.
Hussey will play the first Test against England without question. If Australia aren't winning comfortably and he isn't doing well though he'll get axed - the selectors have shown a very cautious hand in changing the team in the lead-up to an Ashes series but they've shown no mercy once it begins. I'd be inclined to go the other way if anything, but hey-ho.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
As for Hussey, i dont see why he should be dropped ATM. Since his career saving hundred @ the Obal he has been solid, obviously it isn't anywhere near as good as he was from Brisbane 05 to Bangalore 08. But unless he fails in the Ashes, he shouldn't be dropped, he clearly has to watch himself though given his age.
 

Ruckus

International Captain
Even though North has been thoroughly criticised, I think one of the main problems, if not THE main problem, with the current line up is Ponting's form. If you look at his batting graph since the 150 he made at cardiff (HowSTAT! Player Batting Graph), he has been failing much more often than not. Also, if you take out the double century he made against Pakistan, since that time he has averaged something like 28. That is abyssmal.

I really feel that if Ponting returned to form, most of the issues currently being raised would resolve themselves - if the no.3 can score consistently, I think it will not only improve Clarke's form (because he seems to love being in partnerships with Ponting), but it would put less pressure on Hussey et al., and they would be able to score more freely.
 

GotSpin

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Even though North has been thoroughly criticised, I think one of the main problems, if not THE main problem, with the current line up is Ponting's form. If you look at his batting graph since the 150 he made at cardiff (HowSTAT! Player Batting Graph), he has been failing much more often than not. Also, if you take out the double century he made against Pakistan, since that time he has averaged something like 28. That is abyssmal.

I really feel that if Ponting returned to form, most of the issues currently being raised would resolve themselves - if the no.3 can score consistently, I think it will not only improve Clarke's form (because he seems to love being in partnerships with Ponting), but it would put less pressure on Hussey et al., and they would be able to score more freely.
I actually think Ponting is in tremendous form. He just finds ways to get out, either through stubbornness or stupidity.

He doesn't look edgy at the crease, hits everything well, all going along nicely...then suddenly he gets himself out

But you're right, Ponting is, as he has been for a while, the key to our batting platform. I can just imagine the reaction in the Australian dressing room after Ponting gets out cheaply - "****, If Ponting can't get runs...we're doomed!' as they all look around white faced and in shock with clarke running around in circles in his undies with tears streaming down
 
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Ruckus

International Captain
I actually think Ponting is in tremendous form. He just finds ways to get out, either through stubbornness or stupidity.

He doesn't look edgy at the crease, hits everything well, all going along nicely...then suddenly he gets himself out

But you're right, Ponting is, as he has been for a while, the key to our batting platform. I can just imagine the reaction in the Australian dressing room after Ponting gets out cheaply - "****, If Ponting can't get runs...we're doomed!' as they all look around white faced and in shock with clarke running around in circles in his undies with tears streaming down
When I say 'form', I spose I mean both physically and mentality. I agree that he looks and seems to play as good as ever for the brief moments he is in, but mentality there is something going on with him. Whatever it is, it is significantly disrupting his abilitity to score runs, and he needs to work it out quickly.

That reaction you describe is exactly what I would imagine too, albeit in a less comical sense ;). I think it would be of especial concern to Clarke if Ponting gets out, because he seems to really follow his every move.
 

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