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*Official* Australia in India 2010

aussie

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Xuhaib said:
don't know why PK not an option in tests if Asif can be a success at 80mph then why not him.I know they are different bowlers one is a swing bowler while the other is seam but its not like India has great fast bowling depth so no harm in trying, also seems to have a good FC record.
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Dont think he is test bowler TBF. Although i think if IND play in ENG or SA he COULD be tried.
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
G.I.Joe said:
Doesn't explain how Pakistan manages it, though.
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Sort of how SS said, they do seem to get their hands on slots in County Cricket easier than their Indian counterparts.

And in recent times, aside from Aamir, how many others have appeared at such a young age and been successful? Unfortunately, we may not be able to see whether Aamir continued to improve and get better over the long term.
 
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Evermind said:
It really amazes me that India are unable to produce a halfway decent quick bowler - apart from Zaheer Khan. And I'm not talking about a Steyn or a McGrath here (that'll be the day, eh?) but even say someone like Siddle or Kallis? Why does a country with more people than all the rest of the cricketing world combined not groom fast bowlers to a halfway decent level?

Is it genetics? Hell, ALL the rest of the subcontinent teams have superior bowlers, and India's seam options seem to be on par with Bangladesh's at the moment. Sri Lanka are far superior, and Pakistan in a different world altogether.

Really, really disappointing. WTF is wrong? Cricket is pretty much the only sport Indians like to play and watch. And yet!
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Sri Lanka have Malinga (often injured) and... who else?
 
aussie

aussie

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Prince EWS said:
Frankly I don't agree at all. The only serious argument for Sehwag not bowling more than he does is that it'd drain him too much and weaken his batting.
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I dont think it would drian him, seems fit enough.

But no i dont think him being given extra responsibility at all with the ball would make him more effective. Bowlers like Sehwag such as Bob Simpson, Carl Hooper, Peter Kirsten, Allan Border for eg of the past where all just very capable part-time spinners/5th bowlers - who where good enough to take big hauls/5 wicket hauls if they got turners just like front line spinners. But they weren't good enough to be a consistent threat at test level, if they are consistenly dependended to bowl 20+ overs an innings.


Prince EWS said:
Most under-rated bowler in world cricket IMO. Even ignoring the fact that replacing a fast bowler with a spinner in a team that already has three spinners among its best five bowlers would be pretty crazy in terms of team balance, I think Sree's a better bowler than Mishra these days anyway.
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I dont see whats under-rated about Sreesanth. If he is rated as anything other than very eratic, then he is very much over-rated. See alot of Mohammad Sami in him.

India already played spinners 3 spinners on real turners as i suggested in tests with Sehwag already in the team @:

- Mumbai 04 vs AUS
- Mohali 06 vs ENG

And surprise surprise they won...Plus back in the days when Tendulkar was the very capable 5th bowler spinner like Sehwag is now. IND beat AUS @ Chennai 01 & the entire 1998 series with 3 spinners.

I probably wont pick Mishra either. Would probably go for Ashwin.
 
Xuhaib

Xuhaib

International Coach
was watching Afridi's interview yesterday and he was exactly opposite to what Jack is saying.He said the reason Pakistan is not producing world class batsman is we throw them too early on to the world stage the strategy has worked with our fast bowlers but the exact same strategy has hurt young batsman. According to Afridi:

Batsman-Debut after 5-6 seasons of FC cricket
Spinner-debut after minimum 3 seasons.
Pacer-Immediately aslong he has good pace and decent control.
 
Cevno

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
silentstriker said:
That's easier said than done. The type of development and resources needed are available only at the national team level, and that's not the appropriate place as you say. What they need to do is send them over to county cricket whenever possible. That's where they'll learn. Indian money magically disappears somewhere.
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To be fair all the young Players with potential ,specially fast bowlers are sent to the NCA or the MRF pace academy where some of the facilities are best in the world,so good that even Foreign players come there for training.

Even at the domestic level the facilites at each state team have improved manifold.Take Mumbai as a example ,they have their own state of the art Training and physical development facility.
 
Cevno

Cevno

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vic_orthdox said:
Someone else alluded to it earlier, but I think that a lot of the Indian pacers being taken straight into international cricket at a young age is having a big detrimental long term effect. These guys (looking at you, Ishant and Irfan) have the basic tools, which is why they come onto the scene in an impressive fashion, but they haven't had the development programs put in place and the bulk of bowling at a lower level to put up with the workload that they undertake at an international level.

You look at someone like Siddle, and his body has been put through the wringer at a number of different levels before he was given the chance to play for his country. At times it hasn't stood up, but he's gone back and developed further with his body till it can stand the rigours, without alterting his effectiveness. The English are the same, with their large amounts of county cricket.

Think India are going to be better off in the long term identifying these players and trying to implement a development program to make sure that they are ready to be talented, quick, and dependable, fast bowlers at the age of 23, rather than lighting up their eyes over the next great talent.
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But the problem is in domestic level with all the limited over Cricket and also the type of non quick favouring pitches means,that if you let them stay in the domestic level ,they loose their confidence and also sometimes get overbowled and pick up injuries in the tough climates.

Just Look at Ishant,his dip in form started in the IPL ,continued in ODI's and what has not helped him in this period is that most of the cricket has been played in India.
Should never have been overused in the ODI's from the start along with the IPL which has resulted in some injury problems and also more majorly a drop in confidence.

Had he instead had back to back tours of Australia,South Africa and England it would have been a different case altogether.
At this moment i think a stint in county Cricket would be super good for him as it was for Zaheer who was suffering a similar Dip after a good start.
So it would be for Irfan who is idealy suited to English conditions.
 
Contra

Contra

Cricketer Of The Year
aussie said:
Watching him bowl & the Indian quicks bowl in tests since that 2008 IND tour to SRI.
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You mean the guy who averages what 51 in test cricket? All of his 5 matches have been against India and he took 5 of his 13 wickets in his debut test (on a helpful pitch for fast bowler too). The guy can barely bowl a spell of 6-7 overs without breaking down like 2-3 times. Sorry but Prasad is much much worse than most of the Indian quicks (as bad as some of them might be).
 
Faisal1985

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
Xuhaib said:
was watching Afridi's interview yesterday and he was exactly opposite to what Jack is saying.He said the reason Pakistan is not producing world class batsman is we throw them too early on to the world stage the strategy has worked with our fast bowlers but the exact same strategy has hurt young batsman. According to Afridi:

Batsman-Debut after 5-6 seasons of FC cricket
Spinner-debut after minimum 3 seasons.
Pacer-Immediately aslong he has good pace and decent control.
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Yeah i would tend to agree with Afridi on this....to top all this we don't have proper mentoring of the young batsmen. I mean the Ys were also pretty much mentored around Inzi about how to build an innings and all...Now its getting much harder because the supposed mentors themselves are in and out of the team...
 
Xuhaib

Xuhaib

International Coach
Faisal1985 said:
Yeah i would tend to agree with Afridi on this....to top all this we don't have proper mentoring of the young batsmen. I mean the Ys were also pretty much mentored around Inzi about how to build an innings and all...Now its getting much harder because the supposed mentors themselves are in and out of the team...
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its the generation after the Y's that let Pakistan down Farhat,Butt,Hafeez,Malik,Hameed all disappointed after showing initial promise.
 
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