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Scorecard Draft

kingkallis

International Coach
Somehow I dont have a good feeling of the average adjusting stuff!

Lets go for 12th round or we can leave the things as it is and go ahead...
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
How is that related to adjusted averages??????????????

That is an issue with the sim itself, not the adjustment of averages.


The sim will treat the second batsman as the better one whether you adjust the averages or not. Adjusted averages only alter the averages, they do not alter the number of games played. And the number of games played is the statistic that enables the sim to reach that conclusion.

If it bothers you that the sim will see the second batsman as the superior one, then scrap the sim itself because that's the one at fault, being coded that way by its maker. Don't pin the blame on the adjustment of averages.
I was actually saying it show that any which way you try to manipulate the stats, it will still be as equally wrong as the original stat itself.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Most of you have also picked batsmen from that era. So you want to enjoy the benefits of having a bowler from that era while penalising the other guy for having a batsman from that era? That seems pretty selfish.
as I said, let us see the adjusted averages before we come to conclusions.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
I was actually saying it show that any which way you try to manipulate the stats, it will still be as equally wrong as the original stat itself.
How is it being equally wrong if you're compensating for averages across eras? You could say there's still something left to be corrected, and you might be right. But there's a definite improvement which cannot be denied.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
How is it being equally wrong if you're compensating for averages across eras? You could say there's still something left to be corrected, and you might be right. But there's a definite improvement which cannot be denied.
The improvement won't be uniform, and it will lead to more complications and questions than answers, IMO.. That is all. The final call is up to you guys.. Whether you go by a vote or simply by your choice, is up to you.
 

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
Mark Waugh 2nd Test: South Africa v Australia at Port Elizabeth, Mar 14-17, 1997 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

1. Arthur Shrewsbury (23 Tests, 1277 Runs @ 35.47)
2. Victor Trumper (48 Tests, 3163 Runs @ 39.04, 8 Wickets @ 39.62)
3. Martin Crowe (77 Tests, 5445 Runs @ 45.36, 14 Wickets @ 48.28)
4. Mark Waugh (128 Tests, 8029 Runs @ 41.81, 59 Wickets @ 41.16)
5. David Gower (117 Tests, 8231 Runs @ 44.25)
6.
7. Andrew Flintoff (79 Tests, 3845 Runs @ 31.77, 226 Wickets @ 32.78)
8.
9. Clarrie Grimmett (37 Tests, 557 Runs @ 13.92, 216 Wickets @ 24.21)
10. Brian Statham (70 Tests: 675 Runs @ 11.44, 252 Wickets @ 24.84)
11. Glenn McGrath (124 Tests: 641 Runs @ 7.36, 563 Wickets @ 21.64)

It might lack heavy run-scoring ability but Crowe, Waugh and Gower would make a very stylish trio to watch.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Mark Waugh 2nd Test: South Africa v Australia at Port Elizabeth, Mar 14-17, 1997 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

1. Arthur Shrewsbury (23 Tests, 1277 Runs @ 35.47)
2. Victor Trumper (48 Tests, 3163 Runs @ 39.04, 8 Wickets @ 39.62)
3. Martin Crowe (77 Tests, 5445 Runs @ 45.36, 14 Wickets @ 48.28)
4. Mark Waugh (128 Tests, 8029 Runs @ 41.81, 59 Wickets @ 41.16)
5. David Gower (117 Tests, 8231 Runs @ 44.25)
6.
7. Andrew Flintoff (79 Tests, 3845 Runs @ 31.77, 226 Wickets @ 32.78)
8.
9. Clarrie Grimmett (37 Tests, 557 Runs @ 13.92, 216 Wickets @ 24.21)
10. Brian Statham (70 Tests: 675 Runs @ 11.44, 252 Wickets @ 24.84)
11. Glenn McGrath (124 Tests: 641 Runs @ 7.36, 563 Wickets @ 21.64)

It might lack heavy run-scoring ability but Crowe, Waugh and Gower would make a very stylish trio to watch.
Think you have got a pretty awesome side so far, tbh.. May not be the best in terms of crude stats but those are very very good players you have got there :)
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
I'd treat the second as superior even if the first batsman averaged 100 over 10 tests from any era you choose to pick.
OK take an example. Take a batsman who averaged 65 in 20 tests, and 70 in 200 first-class matches in the 1930s to a batsman who averaged 50 in 75 tests and 51 in 150 first-class matches in 2000s. Can you conclusively say that the 2nd player is better than the first one?

Not exactly going by these stats, can you say that Mohammad Yousuf is a better player than George Headley, for example (or Michael Clarke than Graeme Pollock)? Both Yousuf and Clarke played many more tests than Headley and Pollock, and averaged little less than those two...
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Yeah I agree, if I was paying money to watch one of these teams in action it would definitely be Noble One's batting lineup - Trumper, Crowe, Waugh and Gower would be amazing.

I kind of wish I picked my favourite player Waugh now, the way the scorecards worked meant I couldn't pick him this round.
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Maybe.. But the fact is there is an EQUAL chance that the first guy was better than the second. IF he only got to play 10 tests in his lifetime, that is not his fault... Which is why altering stats for me, is stupid. If, as you say, the sims take into account such stuff then that's that...
yeah my point, precisely...

That's why I always believed that you can't judge longevity by number of tests, but should rather judge the same by the number of years they played...
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
3rd Test: South Africa v Australia at Durban, Mar 15-18, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
Justin Langer - Screw you and your scorecard Noble One.


1. Graham Gooch
2. Justin Langer
3.
4. Frank Worrell
5. Allan Border
6. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
7. Les Ames
8. Kapil Dev
9.
10. Jim Laker
11. Waqar Younis
Good team so far. But, why don't you promote both Worrell and Border one position up each? Are you expecting someone very special for your no. 3 position even now?
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It's not set in stone, Border and Worrell started at 5 and 6. I could even promote all 3 of my current middle order and brind somebody in at 6. Or just promote Worrell. It depends who is available really.
 

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
Round 1:
NUFAN - Muttiah Muralitharan
weldone - Adam Gilchrist
Noble One - Glenn Mcgrath
Cevno - Curtly Ambrose
Blakus - Vivian Richards
Himmanv - Imran Khan
honestbharani - Richard Hadlee
kingkallis - Malcolm Marshall
GI Joe - Brian Lara
Shri - Kumar Sangakkara
pskov - Shane Warne
HeathDavisSpeed - Jacques Kallis
Somerset - Sachin Tendulkar
marc71178 - Wasim Akram
Marcuss - Waqar Younis
Jamee999 - Ricky Ponting
Michaelf7777777 - Andy Flower
Riggins - Michael Slater

Round 2:
Riggins - Rahul Dravid
Michaelf7777777 - Shaun Pollock
Jamee999 - Courtney Walsh
Marcuss - Kapil Dev
marc71178 - Ian Botham
Somerset - Dennis Lillee
HeathDavisSpeed - Joel Garner
pskov - Sunil Gavaskar
Shri - Garry Sobers
GI Joe - Keith Miller
kingkallis - Donald Bradman
honestbharani - Wally Hammond
Himmanv - Jack Hobbs
Blakus - Sydney Barnes
Cevno - Wilfred Rhodes
Noble One - Clarrie Grimmett
weldone - George Headley
NUFAN - Fred Trueman

Round 3:
pskov - Alan Davidson
Jamee999 - Len Hutton
Marcuss - Les Ames
GI Joe - Herbert Sutcliffe
kingkallis - Aubrey Faulkner
Riggins - Charles Macartney
Michaelf7777777 - Colin Blythe
Shri - Hugh Trumble
weldone - George Lohmann
Blakus - Frederick Spofforth
NUFAN - Charlie Turner
Cevno - W.G Grace
Noble One - Victor Trumper
HeathDavisSpeed - Warwick Armstrong
Himmanv - Stanley Jackson
Somerset - Kumar Ranjitsinhji
marc71178 - Archie MacLaren
honestbharani - Johnny Briggs

Round 4:
marc71178 - Bobby Abel
honestbharani - Billy Barnes
Somerset - Billy Bates
Himmanv - Dick Barlow
HeathDavisSpeed - Tom Garrett
Noble One - Arthur Shrewsbury
Cevno - Bobby Peel
NUFAN - Allan Steel
Blakus - Billy Murdoch
weldone - George Ulyett
Shri - Syd Gregory
Michaelf7777777 - Frank Woolley
Riggins - Bill Voce
kingkallis - Bill O'Rielly
GI Joe - Ray Lindwall
Marcuss - Jim Laker
Jamee999 - Clyde Walcott
pskov - Neil Harvey

Round 5:
Shri - Alec Bedser
Jamee999 - Peter May
honestbharani - Graeme Pollock
Blakus - Ken Barrington
Cevno - Frank Tyson
Michaelf7777777 - Arthur Morris
Riggins - Vinoo Mankad
GI Joe - Denis Compton
HeathDavisSpeed - Everton Weekes
kingkallis - Colin Cowdrey
Noble One - Brian Statham
pskov - Neil Adcock
weldone - Richie Benaud
Marcuss - Frank Warrell
Himmanv - Rohan Kanhai
Somerset - Godfrey Evans
marc71178 - Hanif Mohammad
NUFAN - Ted Dexter

Round 6:
marc71178 - Alan Knott
NUFAN - Greg Chappell
Somerset - Javed Miandad
Himmanv - Gordon Greenidge
Marcuss - Allan Border
weldone - Geoff Boycott
pskov - Michael Holding
Noble One - Martin Crowe
kingkallis - Rodney Marsh
HeathDavisSpeed - Andy Roberts
GI Joe - Bob Willis
Riggins - Garth Mckenzie
Michaelf7777777 - Colin Croft
Cevno - Farokh Engineer
Blakus - Bob Simpson
honestbharani - Doug Walters
Jamee999 - Bishan Bedi
Shri - Derek Underwood

Round 7:
HeathDavisSpeed - Peter Pollock
Marcuss - Graham Gooch
Cevno - Allan Donald
Jamee999 - Matthew Hayden
marc71178 - Harbhajan Singh
honestbharani - MS Dhoni
Himmanv - Dale Steyn
Noble One - Andrew Flintoff
kingkallis - Virender Sehwag
NUFAN - Greame Smith
pskov - Steve Waugh
weldone - Shane Bond
Riggins - Mahela Jayawardene
Somerset - Mohammad Yousuf
GI Joe - Jeff Thomson
Shri - Darren Gough
Blakus - Ian Bishop
Michaelf7777777 - Desmond Haynes

Round 8:
Blakus - Zaheer Abbas
Michaelf7777777 - Clive Lloyd
Shri - Roy Fredericks
GI Joe - Bill Lawry
Somerset - Eddie Barlow
Riggins
weldone - Ian Chappell
pskov - John Edrich
NUFAN - Conrad Hunte
kingkallis - Dennis Amiss
Noble One - David Gower
Himmanv - Abdul Qadir
honestbharani - Shoaib Akhtar
marc71178 - Aravinda de Silva
Jamee999 - Anil Kumble
Cevno - Inzamam ul Haq
Marcuss - Shivnaraine Chanderpaul
HeathDavisSpeed - Mark Taylor
Riggins

Round 9

Somerset - Craig McDermott
kingkallis - Merv Hughes
NUFAN - Graham Thorpe
marc71178 - Chris Gayle
Himmanv - Jason Gillespie
Noble One - Mark Waugh
Marcuss - Justin Langer
Cevno
weldone
Riggins
honestbharani
Shri
Blakus
Michaelf7777777
Jamee999
GI Joe
pskov
HeathDavisSpeed

Round 10:
pskov
HeathDavisSpeed
GI Joe
Jamee999
Michaelf7777777
Blakus
Shri
honestbharani
Riggins
weldone
Cevno
Marcuss
Noble One
Himmanv
marc71178
NUFAN
kingkallis
Somerset
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
OK take an example. Take a batsman who averaged 65 in 20 tests, and 70 in 200 first-class matches in the 1930s to a batsman who averaged 50 in 75 tests and 51 in 150 first-class matches in 2000s. Can you conclusively say that the 2nd player is better than the first one?

Not exactly going by these stats, can you say that Mohammad Yousuf is a better player than George Headley, for example (or Michael Clarke than Graeme Pollock)? Both Yousuf and Clarke played many more tests than Headley and Pollock, and averaged little less than those two...
I didn't say 20 tests, I said 10 tests.
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Sneaky Soldiers so Far-


1)W.G Grace
2)
3)V.V.S Laxman
4)Inzamam -Ul -Haq
5)
6)Wilfred Rhodes
7)Farokh Engineeer
8)Bobby peel
9)Curtly Ambrose
10)Alan Donald
11)Frank Tyson
 

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