John Howard to head ICC?

[pasag]

From the article posted upthread:


I would love to know how the "rigorous and orderly process" that Haigh waxes lyrical about decided that Howard was better than Anderson. It appears to be a simple case of Australia muscling New Zealand out even though the latter clearly had the better man.

No. Has been discussed in the thread already.

It went to mediation and Howard's nomination was the outcome of that.

But I and most of the Aussies on here agree that Anderson was the better candidate. Not the point though.

 

[Streetwise]

From the article posted upthread:


I would love to know how the "rigorous and orderly process" that Haigh waxes lyrical about decided that Howard was better than Anderson. It appears to be a simple case of Australia muscling New Zealand out even though the latter clearly had the better man.

it was a simple prcess that involved two NZ and two Aus plus Sir Geoff Eddelton as a small committee that assessed the two candidates. Its a big conspiracy with CA promising one of the members from NZ an australian passport and guarantee his first son would get a baggy green. Watch out for an australian players with a kiwi accent in the next 20 years. The only way it could have been a free selection is, if Howard was not selected.

 

[morgieb]

Do it Cricket Australia!

Rudd's not getting a spot on Gillard's cabinet. And foreign relations is his specialty!

Is KRudd as passionate as Howard regarding cricket though? He'll probably return to the frontbench anyway after the election.

 

[Jono]

Haha I'm just taking the piss morgieb.

 

[Xuhaib]

Regarding this issue I don't care much for it as Jono pointed in one of his earlier posts as a cricket fan these administrative issues should not worry you unless they are effecting your team's output on the field.

I personally feel PCB should have sided with the non Asian bloc in this as PCB relationship will always be flaky with BCCI due to Ind-Pak problems and at this time they need to cosy up as much as possible to ECB as they might want to play their home games over there for a considerable period of time.

 

[honestbharani]

But the BCCI has given their reasons for rejecting him.

As usual, why let facts get in the way of bashing BCCI on flimsy grounds...


But I still stand by what I said though.. They could have taken a stand much earlier and I am not sure when, but apparently, BCCI did agree to back Howard at some point.

 

[Cevno]

What a view. Obviously makes sense in a meritocracy that is the BCCI.

I wonder how many positions in the BCCI, if an audit were done today, came via a gradual rise through the ranks based on performance?

To be fair the way the BCCI is structured, You require experience in a previous post mandatorily for moving into the next one. For example someone running for state association presidency should be a affiliate or member club representative or head for a period.

Then if you want to run for a post in the BCCI office-bearers ,there is a need to be the official representative to the BCCI for a state board for a period of 1 or 2 years. Then from there to get to the presidency of the board you need to be a office bearer or vice president for a period of time.

So without a change in the BCCI constitiution or the Indian constititution even if Manmohan Singh or Sonia Gandhi decide to become the BCCI president tomorrow they cannot.
Nor they can become state association presidents in many states without a change in the constitution of the state board or change in the co-operative societies act of the state.

 

[jeevan]

It's not really him getting rejected that worries me. It's the double standards that do. Look at Sharad Pawar, he's a polly, so is Howard. Yet one gets accepted and the other one doesn't. Go figure.

Sharad Pawar is a politician. But he's been a patient one with respect to his sports administration career on the side. At the very least there is a sequence of presidency of some minor state level sports -> presidency of Mumbai cricket association -> presidency of BCCI -> presidency of ICC.

He has, on paper, a significant track record at this. I don't think Howard does.

 

[Fusion]

stop all this nonsense and just give it to Ijaz Butt.

Best. Idea. Ever.

 

[Shri]

This has given me an idea.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I'm as devastated as the next man about Johnny missing out on the big seat with the ICC and I thought it was about time to set the record straight re: his knowledge of the game and his capability to carry out the post.

So here are some stats from the Prime Minister's XI matches he not only picked from 1997-2007, but also coached and mentored (it's rumoured Nathan Hauritz re-modelled his action after watching Johnny send down a few deliveries during a Parliament House doorstop where he announced himself as a cricket tragic before smashing his own glasses with a short ball and making Alexander Downer blush when he asked him how he'd handle a couple of bouncers).

Of the 14 games played in this period J. Howard's teams won 8. This includes thrashing the ATSIC Chairman's XI twice and refusing to say sorry on either occasion. He was way ahead when it came to recognising young and upcoming talent: Andrew Symonds, Mike Hussey, Brett Lee, Brad Haddin and Stuart Clark were utilised by Johnny years before they were even entertained as prospects by Australian selectors. And, most notably, Dougeh Bollinger was selected for the Prime Minister's XI a full 8 years before he became a regular cause of a few loose seeds appearing in the Burge household laundry basket whenever there was a test match on.

Of course, there are were less successful selections during this period too - players like Lea Hansen, Anthony McQuire and Barry Firebrace disappeared largely without a trace after appearing for J.Howard's teams. Their parents did occasionally receive letters though from faraway places like Port Hedland, Christmas Island or Nauru.

In a strange twist of fate, the Howard-controlled Prime Minister's XI never won the match immediately preceding any of his successful election campaigns. They did win the match before his ultimate demise in 2007 however, possibly indicative of his changing priorities as he moved towards an (ultimately fruitless) attempt at a career in cricket administration.

Johnny left in '07 and, not surprisingly, the Sri Lankans waited until Rudd's election to arrive on our shores and were treated (too well according to some) to a 4 wicket win. Some say the loss via Duckworth Lewis method to the WI in Feb 2010 was the final nail in the Rudd coffin and he was discarded soon after.

 

[Jono]

 

[honestbharani]

I'm as devastated as the next man about Johnny missing out on the big seat with the ICC and I thought it was about time to set the record straight re: his knowledge of the game and his capability to carry out the post.

So here are some stats from the Prime Minister's XI matches he not only picked from 1997-2007, but also coached and mentored (it's rumoured Nathan Hauritz re-modelled his action after watching Johnny send down a few deliveries during a Parliament House doorstop where he announced himself as a cricket tragic before smashing his own glasses with a short ball and making Alexander Downer blush when he asked him how he'd handle a couple of bouncers).

Of the 14 games played in this period J. Howard's teams won 8. This includes thrashing the ATSIC Chairman's XI twice and refusing to say sorry on either occasion. He was way ahead when it came to recognising young and upcoming talent: Andrew Symonds, Mike Hussey, Brett Lee, Brad Haddin and Stuart Clark were utilised by Johnny years before they were even entertained as prospects by Australian selectors. And, most notably, Dougeh Bollinger was selected for the Prime Minister's XI a full 8 years before he became a regular cause of a few loose seeds appearing in the Burge household laundry basket whenever there was a test match on.

Of course, there are were less successful selections during this period too - players like Lea Hansen, Anthony McQuire and Barry Firebrace disappeared largely without a trace after appearing for J.Howard's teams. Their parents did occasionally receive letters though from faraway places like Port Hedland, Christmas Island or Nauru.

In a strange twist of fate, the Howard-controlled Prime Minister's XI never won the match immediately preceding any of his successful election campaigns. They did win the match before his ultimate demise in 2007 however, possibly indicative of his changing priorities as he moved towards a (ultimately fruitless) attempt at a career in cricket administration.

Johnny left in '07 and, not surprisingly, the Sri Lankans waited until Rudd's election to arrive on our shores and were treated (too well according to some) to a 4 wicket win. Some say the loss via Duckworth Lewis method to the WI in Feb 2010 was the final nail in the Rudd coffin and he was discarded soon after.

Based on that, forget ICC Presidency, he should apply for Nielson's job.. right?

 

[Cevno]

Based on that, forget ICC Presidency, he should apply for Nielson's job.. right?

 

[Top_Cat]

I'm as devastated as the next man about Johnny missing out on the big seat with the ICC and I thought it was about time to set the record straight re: his knowledge of the game and his capability to carry out the post.

So here are some stats from the Prime Minister's XI matches he not only picked from 1997-2007, but also coached and mentored (it's rumoured Nathan Hauritz re-modelled his action after watching Johnny send down a few deliveries during a Parliament House doorstop where he announced himself as a cricket tragic before smashing his own glasses with a short ball and making Alexander Downer blush when he asked him how he'd handle a couple of bouncers).

Of the 14 games played in this period J. Howard's teams won 8. This includes thrashing the ATSIC Chairman's XI twice and refusing to say sorry on either occasion. He was way ahead when it came to recognising young and upcoming talent: Andrew Symonds, Mike Hussey, Brett Lee, Brad Haddin and Stuart Clark were utilised by Johnny years before they were even entertained as prospects by Australian selectors. And, most notably, Dougeh Bollinger was selected for the Prime Minister's XI a full 8 years before he became a regular cause of a few loose seeds appearing in the Burge household laundry basket whenever there was a test match on.

Of course, there are were less successful selections during this period too - players like Lea Hansen, Anthony McQuire and Barry Firebrace disappeared largely without a trace after appearing for J.Howard's teams. Their parents did occasionally receive letters though from faraway places like Port Hedland, Christmas Island or Nauru.

In a strange twist of fate, the Howard-controlled Prime Minister's XI never won the match immediately preceding any of his successful election campaigns. They did win the match before his ultimate demise in 2007 however, possibly indicative of his changing priorities as he moved towards an (ultimately fruitless) attempt at a career in cricket administration.

Johnny left in '07 and, not surprisingly, the Sri Lankans waited until Rudd's election to arrive on our shores and were treated (too well according to some) to a 4 wicket win. Some say the loss via Duckworth Lewis method to the WI in Feb 2010 was the final nail in the Rudd coffin and he was discarded soon after.

haha, inspired.

 

[Streetwise]

The real reasons for Howards rejection will come out in the end,

Indian columnist Suhel Seth says racism does not end with the former prime minister.

"Australia is a racist country. There is nothing secular or non-racial about them," he said.

Seth believes England, Australia and New Zealand have not come to terms with India's rise as a world power in the business of cricket.
ABC Sport - Indian TV opens fire on 'closet racist' Howard

They have rejected Howard because they think he is racist but cannot show how he is racist because the reason he is racist is because he is Australian. India hae spent a lot of time calling Australians racist of late, (read about Indian students).

Stick with it CA and make these countries put there cards on the table and lets see where everyone stands.

 

[morgieb]

I'm as devastated as the next man about Johnny missing out on the big seat with the ICC and I thought it was about time to set the record straight re: his knowledge of the game and his capability to carry out the post.

So here are some stats from the Prime Minister's XI matches he not only picked from 1997-2007, but also coached and mentored (it's rumoured Nathan Hauritz re-modelled his action after watching Johnny send down a few deliveries during a Parliament House doorstop where he announced himself as a cricket tragic before smashing his own glasses with a short ball and making Alexander Downer blush when he asked him how he'd handle a couple of bouncers).

Of the 14 games played in this period J. Howard's teams won 8. This includes thrashing the ATSIC Chairman's XI twice and refusing to say sorry on either occasion. He was way ahead when it came to recognising young and upcoming talent: Andrew Symonds, Mike Hussey, Brett Lee, Brad Haddin and Stuart Clark were utilised by Johnny years before they were even entertained as prospects by Australian selectors. And, most notably, Dougeh Bollinger was selected for the Prime Minister's XI a full 8 years before he became a regular cause of a few loose seeds appearing in the Burge household laundry basket whenever there was a test match on.

Of course, there are were less successful selections during this period too - players like Lea Hansen, Anthony McQuire and Barry Firebrace disappeared largely without a trace after appearing for J.Howard's teams. Their parents did occasionally receive letters though from faraway places like Port Hedland, Christmas Island or Nauru.

In a strange twist of fate, the Howard-controlled Prime Minister's XI never won the match immediately preceding any of his successful election campaigns. They did win the match before his ultimate demise in 2007 however, possibly indicative of his changing priorities as he moved towards an (ultimately fruitless) attempt at a career in cricket administration.

Johnny left in '07 and, not surprisingly, the Sri Lankans waited until Rudd's election to arrive on our shores and were treated (too well according to some) to a 4 wicket win. Some say the loss via Duckworth Lewis method to the WI in Feb 2010 was the final nail in the Rudd coffin and he was discarded soon after.

Haha, quality.

 

[Streetwise]

Found this interesting:

Ehsan Mani, the former ICC head who remains close to senior figures within the ICC, said the PCB and BCB - who had said they would seek government advice over the issue - had assured Morgan recently of their support, but backed down. "Both Bangladesh and Pakistan had assured David Morgan recently that they would support John Howard and I find it strange that they eventually opposed the move," Mani told Cricinfo. "Were their arms twisted over the course of the last week? What made them change their stance?"
ICC news: John Howard lost ground in last week - David Morgan | Cricket News | Cricinfo ICC Site | Cricinfo.com

What I found interesting was in that last week India announced that their government had cleared the way for India to start talking to Pakistan about playing cricket.

Could this be payback for the removal of Gavaskar.

 

[Burgey]

Latham

Plus, was always a fan of Costello. We were all led to believe he would take over

Haha, as if Costello would ever have the balls to run for anything.

What a gutless spiv that man is/ was.

 

[Cevno]

Found this interesting:



What I found interesting was in that last week India announced that their government had cleared the way for India to start talking to Pakistan about playing cricket.

Could this be payback for the removal of Gavaskar.

Even Sharad Pawar assured his support to David Morgan ,if i am not mistaken.

I think Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe forced India's hand in this case.Zimbabwe having voted with India many times without questions and with South Africa too many times wanted it's due and India could not afford to let both of Srilanka, Zimambwe's get upset with it.

Pakistan Board saw it at the same time ,a oppurtunity to get back on the good books of the BCCI after such a long time. The Paksitan government also quickly wants to remove all fallouts of 26/11 as quickly as it can,so when India brings it up in diplomatic circles it can accuse it of living in the past.
And that is why the PCB saw this as a oppurtunity to get back on track with the BCCI.