Group D - Germany, Australia, Serbia, Ghana

[social]

Seriously, **** off FIFA!

Half-time should've been at least 1-1, 10 vs 10, and a clear-cut penalty to Oz to make it 2-1

Cant believe that these corrupt ****s slipped up to such a degree as to allow Germany to be beaten

Oz arent great by any means but we deserve better than this!

 

[pasag]

Pretty disgusting that an Australian would find it humorous that their team suffered misfortune. Sure, it's fine not to give a **** (I personally care very little), but to get joy out of it? Ridiculous.

Nah, has more to do with the fact Kewell is the biggest wanker on the planet and there was a delicious irony to him getting sent off after all the dramas during the week with him vs ****erill.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Haha, was a mate's birthday so had to suck it up and do whatever he wanted. Moved on to the pub at half time because the cinema sucked and got to watch the cricket as well

ftr don't hate the sport, just the bandwagon fans and media. Pretty sure I've posted in the EPL thread before.

UnAustralian. Just UnAustralian.

To make an unnecessarily extreme analogy, if a country goes to Iraq you may be disgusted at the gung-ho hawk sections of the media and weekend columnists making hypothetical military strategies but do you support the troops themselves or not?

 

[benchmark00]

Nah, has more to do with the fact Kewell is the biggest wanker on the planet and there was a delicious irony to him getting sent off after all the dramas during the week with him vs ****erill.

How is that even close to being irony??

 

[GIMH]

Ah, Australia should have won that I reckon. Thought the red was about right, if the penalty is given then there is no choice but to send him off. I can understand people saying it shouldn't have been given but really, an arm has stopped the ball going in, it's always going to be given. Harsh on Kewell but he made himself look a right prat.

Still, it's still alive going into the last game. Some exciting group finishes coming up next week.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

God, Wilkshire. What might have been.

 

[pasag]

UnAustralian. Just UnAustralian.

To make an unnecessarily extreme analogy, if a country goes to Iraq you may be disgusted at the gung-ho hawk sections of the media and weekend columnists making hypothetical military strategies but do you support the troops themselves or not?

See above post.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Bollocks actually. You haven't had a ball hit at you that hard in your life. Tell me how, watching it at real speed and not the slow motion we all play at, how he deliberately handled the ball.

Let him be in one of those white shirts that were playing yesterday and see what you'd think. It was a poor decision mate.

Yeah exactly, thought he looked to be steeling himself to get drilled in the chest rather than trying to deliberately stop the ball with his arm on the slow motion replay. Pretty unlucky, but I guess it' s done now. If it'd hit him fair in the middle of the scone and ricocheted over the bar it would've been nice.

 

[pasag]

How is that even close to being irony??

Not sure a) whether this is worth continuing for past bad blood or b) because emotions seem to be running high, however because you asked, there was an article written about him saying Kewell was all style and no substance and that he hadn't done anything for years, Kewell then proceeded to act like a right tit, both in the media and behind the scenes in response. Kewell then gets a game, and gets sent off in the first few minutes....

 

[social]

Ah, Australia should have won that I reckon. Thought the red was about right, if the penalty is given then there is no choice but to send him off. I can understand people saying it shouldn't have been given but really, an arm has stopped the ball going in, it's always going to be given. Harsh on Kewell but he made himself look a right prat.

Still, it's still alive going into the last game. Some exciting group finishes coming up next week.

No probs with the penalty and, if that is the case, then it's a red

But what about Kewell being hacked down in the box after about a minute and the tackle from behind in the second half?

Football is such a corrupt sport

I watched the game with British commentators and Hateley (?) and Platt felt that Ghana should've finished with 9 at most and that the ref should be banished from the WC

 

[LongHopCassidy]

See above post.

Not really applicable. If a general calls the Prime Minister or a media CEO an opportunistic populist **** would you go all glowy inside when he lost a battle or got captured?

 

[Uppercut]

It's not deliberate handball, its deliberately stopping a goalscoring chance by unfair means.

Kewells on the line to stop the shot, He stands his ground, or tries to block the shot. Either way his intent is to stop that ball going in (unless he's physically moving out of the way of the shot). Whether intentional or not, he does not do so by a legal means, and Australia benefit by not conceeding due to his intention to block that was not done legally. Hence the pen and red.

To put it bluntly, you're wrong. It's perfectly legal to play the ball off the line with your hand in football- provided you don't mean to.

Red Card - Showing a red card to a player means he/she is expelled from the match. A straight red card (no previous ‘caution’) can be shown for extreme offences such as serious foul play, violent conduct, spitting, deliberate hand-ball to prevent a goal, a professional foul (denying a goalscoring opportunity) and insulting language and/or gestures.

Offences that lead to a direct free kick:

Awarded as a result of fouls with evidence intent to harm or reckless/excessive force (e.g. a sliding tackle which takes the player first, shirt-pulling and a deliberate hand-ball).

A non-deliberate handball is nothing. You can accidentally play the ball with your hand all you like, anywhere on the pitch. If he knows the ball is going to hit his hand, has ample time to react and does nothing to stop that from happening, it's a deliberate handball and a red card. If he spreads his arms with the intention of blocking the ball, and the ball is subsequently fired at them before he has time to change his mind, that's also a deliberate handball and a red card. If the ball just hits him on the arm before he has time to react, then it's a perfectly legitimate block. The ref has no grey area to work with here- penalty and red, or nothing at all. Them's the rules.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

This **** of a ref well within the Graham Poll and Urs Meier pantheon, or mine.

Another Italian robs us.

 

[grecian]

Good, the Aussies are falling out amongst themselves, all augurs well for the Ashes, IMHO.

Even more acrimony will ensue when Straussy and the lads are stuffing 'em.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Good, the Aussies are falling out amongst themselves, all augurs well for the Ashes, IMHO.

Even more acrimony will ensue when Straussy and the lads are stuffing 'em.

Concocting Koertzen jokes aws.

 

[pasag]

Not really applicable. If a general calls the Prime Minister or a media CEO an opportunistic populist **** would you go all glowy inside when he lost a battle or got captured?

Haha, let me know if you think this makes any sense tomorrow when the mist has cleared away

 

[Goughy]

It's perfectly legal to play the ball off the line with your hand in football- provided you don't mean to.

Yeah, you are spot on. If people say that Kewell did what he did intentionally and made a movement then that is fine. Penalty kick. If people say he had the ball blasted at him from 6 yards away and couldnt get out of the way and it hit his arm and therefore not a pen then that is also fine.

Just depends on how you view his intentions.

 

[Nate]

To put it bluntly, you're wrong. It's perfectly legal to play the ball off the line with your hand in football- provided you don't mean to.

A non-deliberate handball is nothing. You can accidentally play the ball with your hand all you like, anywhere on the pitch. If he knows the ball is going to hit his hand, has ample time to react and does nothing to stop that from happening, it's a deliberate handball and a red card. If he spreads his arms with the intention of blocking the ball, and the ball is subsequently fired at them before he has time to change his mind, that's also a deliberate handball and a red card. If the ball just hits him on the arm before he has time to react, then it's a perfectly legitimate block. The ref has no grey area to work with here- penalty and red, or nothing at all. Them's the rules.

This, a thousand times. Not sure how people still don't understand.

Pretty gutted right now. Though not without hope.

 

[stephen]

Good, the Aussies are falling out amongst themselves, all augurs well for the Ashes, IMHO.

Even more acrimony will ensue when Straussy and the lads are stuffing 'em.

Nah there's no Italians around to screw us.

In all seriousness, the last two games have been a very big advertisement for any other code than soccer in this country.

1) Cahill's send off was ridiculous, especially in light of a couple of the tackles made by Ghana tonight.

2) Refs have far too much power to influence a soccer tournament. Having one player down is huge for a side, regardless of the technicalities of whether or not it should have been a penalty or not. Having your two best players unable to play together in the entire tournament because of red cards is just ridiculous.

3) All of that buildup and action for such a disappointing and ultimately unsatisfying result is painful.

4) There is very little consistency with the rules. Why is a dangerous tackle, studs up from behind deemed worthy of giving a player a warning while a non-intentional hand ball worthy of effectively eliminating a player from one and a half games? The card system offers only two degrees of penalty and they seem drastically out of balance.

5) The players themselves all seem like a bunch of whiney little brats who are softer than butter that's been left out in a Queensland summer.

I think three to four games every four years is just about as much of this sport as I can take.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Yeah, you are spot on. If people say that Kewell did what he did intentionally and made a movement then that is fine. Penalty kick. If people say he had the ball blasted at him from 6 yards away and couldnt get out of the way and it hit his arm and therefore not a pen then that is also fine.

Just depends on how you view his intentions.

That's true, but given a value judgement is inbuilt into every handball decision because of the wording of the law, when an offence looks as deliberate as Kewell's did & it denies a goalscoring opportunity the ref is going to send him off practically every time.

Ref was right, IMHO. Badly wrong on the other pen shout tho.