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[flibbertyjibber]

That and because some English fans were saying he is the next big thing after his 3 centuries against WI

In the same way you lot were saying Hughes was the next big thing.

 

[Pothas]

In the same way you lot were saying Hughes was the next big thing.

Yes because centuries in South Africa are the same as ones against a West Indies side who did not want to be there and could not catch....

 

[BoyBrumby]

Yes because centuries in South Africa are the same as ones against a West Indies side who did not want to be there and could not catch....

Tiny, pedantic point, but the first of Ravi's tons was away in the Windies. Would hope they wanted to be there at least...

Think Ravi's going to be a great player of mediocre bowling rather than a good test player tho. Seems to lose his head completely when he gets tied down and tries to hit out; his highest score against Oz was the streakiest 35 I can remember. Got a test more than I would've given him so, by rights, should be a way back in the pecking order now, IMHO.

 

[Pothas]

Tiny, pedantic point, but the first of Ravi's tons was away in the Windies. Would hope they wanted to be there at least...

Think Ravi's going to be a great player of mediocre bowling rather than a good test player tho. Seems to lose his head completely when he gets tied down and tries to hit out; his highest score against Oz was the streakiest 35 I can remember. Got a test more than I would've given him so, by rights, should be a way back in the pecking order now, IMHO.

They still couldn't catch though.

I quite like Ravi but he looked so horribly out of his depth in the ashes that I think we can forget about him for a while at least.

 

[pskov]

I still see a test future for Bopara, he is a very talented batsman. The problem is that he was playing great in County Cricket before his call up, was found out of his depth in the Ashes but then went back and carried on smashing county attacks as normal over the back end of the season. I fear that what he has to learn to make him a true test player is something he won't ever be able to pick up in county cricket.

Perhaps like Hick and Ramprakash he is talented enough that he can score big against mediocre bowling while coasting so is ill prepared for the hard grind that test cricket requires of even the best players at times. Sometimes I think that a player who is not so naturally gifted and therefore has to rely on their mental discipline and solid defensive technique, say Hussain or Collingwood or even Atherton to an extent, can make the step up to test cricket easier than a flamboyant stroke maker used to flaying county attacks to all parts of the ground.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Yes because centuries in South Africa are the same as ones against a West Indies side who did not want to be there and could not catch....

Both failed though and Hughes was hyped up even more and he has a massive problem against the short ball.He won't be a success with such a huge chink in his armour.

 

[fredfertang]

Bopara is in the first division now so it wont be quite so easy for him

 

[zaremba]

There is more to picking a Test side than numbers. Otherwise Ramprakash would be first bloke on the plane to Australia this winter.

An Ashes series is about the mental side of the game. All cricketers on either side are talented and able. It's the mentally strong ones who can make the difference in a tight series.

Think guys like Warne, McGrath, Ponting, Pietersen, Flintoff.

The bloke has courage and cricketing smarts, and he is getting better every game he plays. The Aussie bowling attack will be doing cartwheels if England pick blokes like Carberry, Bopara, etc cause they simply don't have the bottle.

Get behind Morgan I reckon, cause he's one bloke who looks like he has the gonads to make a fist of an Ashes tour, rather than some punter who averages 44 year after year on the county treadmill.

This.

And if there's ever a need for someone to go out there and play a reverse reverse sweep, Eoin's yer man.

 

[Furball]

Just Morgan's FC record is so average and his 2009 season was so poor.. I'm not sure it sends the right message.
I know his List A and Domestic T20 records aren't as special as his ODI or T20I but I'm not sure that you can expect the same to happen for his FC and Test records.
His selection just doesn't sit well with me.

I've been consistently against his selection in the Test side, but to be honest, 2 Tests against Bangladesh will tell us far more about Morgan's prospects in that arena than sending him back to Middlesex will.

 

[Pothas]

I guess if he fails it will tell us that he is certainly not ready for test cricket at this point but I am not really sure what him doing well will teach us.

 

[TumTum]

Both failed though and Hughes was hyped up even more and he has a massive problem against the short ball.He won't be a success with such a huge chink in his armour.

Just check his Test & FC record again

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Just check his Test & FC record again

Check his record against England.

 

[TumTum]

Check his record against England.

Just 3 innings?

 

[King Pietersen]

Yeah, but it wasn't just the stats in those 3 innings that were the problem, it was the way he was completely found out as soon as he stepped into a match against proper bowling. Harmison dominated him in the Lions game, and then he was a lamb to slaughter in the Test matches; and bar a flurry of boundaries at Cardiff thanks to some dire bowling he did nothing. South Africa must be disappointed that they didn't notice his quite obvious technical flaws.

 

[TumTum]

Yeah, but it wasn't just the stats in those 3 innings that were the problem, it was the way he was completely found out as soon as he stepped into a match against proper bowling. Harmison dominated him in the Lions game, and then he was a lamb to slaughter in the Test matches; and bar a flurry of boundaries at Cardiff thanks to some dire bowling he did nothing. South Africa must be disappointed that they didn't notice his quite obvious technical flaws.

SA bowled short and Hughes manage to negotiate them, I think the occasion got to him more than anything and he was jumping around in the crease.

Anyways you guys could keep saying he is found out, meanwhile at the same time he piles on the runs

 

[Xuhaib]

Yeah, but it wasn't just the stats in those 3 innings that were the problem, it was the way he was completely found out as soon as he stepped into a match against proper bowling. Harmison dominated him in the Lions game, and then he was a lamb to slaughter in the Test matches; and bar a flurry of boundaries at Cardiff thanks to some dire bowling he did nothing. South Africa must be disappointed that they didn't notice his quite obvious technical flaws.

yup looked quite poor vs Pakistan aswell

 

[Sir Alex]

I think Hughes issue is mainly mental. If he bats freely and without burden of expectations, he will end up being a great.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

SA bowled short and Hughes manage to negotiate them, I think the occasion got to him more than anything and he was jumping around in the crease.

Anyways you guys could keep saying he is found out, meanwhile at the same time he piles on the runs

But he hasn't since though has he.

 

[TumTum]

But he hasn't since though has he.

Didn't he make a run a ball 84 in his last innings? Not really his fault that he is injured and is on and off from the team.

yup looked quite poor vs Pakistan aswell

He got out for 0 on a the most greenish pitch I have ever seen, and was unlucky on the 2nd innings that the ball gripped of the rough and the most surprising reflex catch by Kaneria.

 

[King Pietersen]

You've obviously not seen many pitches if that's the greenest one you've ever seen. Had a bit of live grass on it, but it wasn't exceptionally green. He was dropped first ball, flashing at one outside off-stump, wasn't a particularly difficult chance either. Sami targetted him early with back of a length bowling aimed towards his body, and he looked as unconvincing there as he did in the Ashes. Followed that up by flashing at another one outside off, was then tucked up again, before ultimately driving loosely to another fairly wide delivery. It was not a pretty innings at all, looked very unconvincing against one of the worst bowlers currently playing Test cricket. The pitch really didn't play a part in that 0.