Smith to take North spot at No 6 for Aus test team

[pasag]

I don't think White is the next Ponting, or even the next Martyn, but who's likely to be better?

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Just putting it out there

 

[Top_Cat]

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Just putting it out there

Speaking of falling over when conditions get tough (pitch-wise)...... Don't think he plays at his best when not the only game in town too. Good against spin, though, which the Aussie top order could do with a dose of. Quite pleasing to watch against spin really, looks the business when using his feet and playing inside-out through cover.

 

[TumTum]

Tum Tum, White has made a stack of runs in English conditions, playing County Cricket.

And Hughes averaged 140 for Middlesex before the Ashes, whats your point?

 

[Top_Cat]

And Hughes averaged 140 for Middlesex before the Ashes, whats your point?

You said;

White has not made any runs outside of Victoria which suggests that he is not suited for batting in tougher or different conditions.

.....which is incorrect. That's his point. Bringing up Hughes is irrelevant.

 

[Kylez]

Forgot about Maxy Klinger, class player.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Tum Tum, White has made a stack of runs in English conditions, playing County Cricket.

On the Taunton road which nobody counts over here.

 

[TumTum]

You said;



.....which is incorrect. That's his point. Bringing up Hughes is irrelevant.

I meant in Australia. Most Australian batsmen manage to get easy runs playing at County,

 

[Jarquis]

I meant in Australia. Most Australian batsmen manage to get easy runs playing at County,

Well be more specific because English conditions are almost certainly more different and tougher in comparison to Victorian conditions than conditions in Queensland for example.

 

[TumTum]

Well be more specific because English conditions are almost certainly more different and tougher in comparison to Victorian conditions than conditions in Queensland for example.

Who really cares, don't look at a few games that he played at County, all it does is screw with your brain. Look at the bigger picture, which shows he has a crap FC record in general.

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You can see how **** he has been, and only a few stints at County kept his career going.

 

[Jarquis]

Yeah but the fact is you made a point that was incorrect, got called out on and are now saying that the original point, you made, is irrelevant. Whatever, I've never said that I'd have White in the Test team.

 

[TumTum]

No I simply didn't want to argue with you guys on that subject, and moved on to the bigger picture.

 

[Matt79]

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I knew you'd say that, was nearly going to put a "and Zac, don't say Klinger" PS on my post!

 

[Nate]

On the Taunton road which nobody counts over here.

This this this. Flat as in Somerset.

Don't know who I'd prefer over White. He really struggles against the moving ball.

 

[Matt79]

Who really cares, don't look at a few games that he played at County, all it does is screw with your brain. Look at the bigger picture, which shows he has a crap FC record in general.

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You can see how **** he has been, and only a few stints at County kept his career going.

More like you were trying to dress up what you've since acknowledged is a purely subjective preference based on a couple of games you saw on TV as having some basis in the two players' records when in fact that difference doesn't exist in the way you suggested, so now you're trying to redefine terms and stat slice yourself out of a hole. Just put your hand up and say that you think Ferguson is a better player than White purely on your opinion of what you've seen of them both and leave their records out of it. People might not agree with you, but no-one can say you're wrong either, and you look less dodgy!

 

[Top_Cat]

Who really cares, don't look at a few games that he played at County, all it does is screw with your brain. Look at the bigger picture, which shows he has a crap FC record in general.

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You can see how **** he has been, and only a few stints at County kept his career going.

Averaging mid 40's since 2007 by that list. Quick query shows he averages about that away from the MCG too (one big knock making a decent contribution but it was a top knock).

Don't forget, he wasn't always a top-order bat for Vic. Since he stopped appearances at the bowling crease, he's batted and captained quite well in a team already chock full of batting guns. I'm not saying he should be in the Test team but that he's even in the conversation shows how far he's come and it's definitely been on the back of his batting. This aside from his fairly awesome form in limited overs matches for OZ.

If you just don't like him, fine. But his recent numbers have been excellent.

 

[Matt79]

This this this. Flat as in Somerset.

Don't know who I'd prefer over White. He really struggles against the moving ball.

Whereas Ferguson's been batting on a minefield at the Adelaide Oval obviously.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Tum Tum, White has made a stack of runs in English conditions, playing County Cricket.

This this this. Flat as in Somerset.

Don't know who I'd prefer over White. He really struggles against the moving ball.

Nath knows.

Lot of time for White (as captain/batsman; bowling a non-factor IMHO) but playing on the not-so green, green concrete of Taunton gives his FC average a real bump.

Averages over 70 at home for Somerset.

 

[NUFAN]

Averaging mid 40's since 2007 by that list. Quick query shows he averages about that away from the MCG too (one big knock making a decent contribution but it was a top knock).

Don't forget, he wasn't always a top-order bat for Vic. Since he stopped appearances at the bowling crease, he's batted and captained quite well in a team already chock full of batting guns. I'm not saying he should be in the Test team but that he's even in the conversation shows how far he's come and it's definitely been on the back of his batting. This aside from his fairly awesome form in limited overs matches for OZ.

If you just don't like him, fine. But his recent numbers have been excellent.

Yep agree with this completely!

Re: my comment about White scoring runs in England, I don't care that averages heaps at Taunton, I was merely pointing out the fact that he has made runs in conditions different to Victoria..

I like White in the national team at 6, for his cricketing brain, his first slip catching and general great fielding and his batting is showing obvious signs of being more mature lately.

 

[TumTum]

Just put your hand up and say that you think Ferguson is a better player than White purely on your opinion of what you've seen of them both and leave their records out of it.

If you read my posts again you will see that I was saying they both suck ATM Khawaja is on the top of the pecking list for me, followed by Smith.

 

[Top_Cat]

Whereas Ferguson's been batting on a minefield at the Adelaide Oval obviously.

In fairness, weirdly, all of his FC tons have come away from Adelaide airport. He's the sort of player who needs pace to work with although in the year leading up to his injury, seemed far better in defence.