Sehwag - Best Batsman In World Cricket Right Now

[jeevan]

Not true. The ball was doing a bit off the pitch and in the air through that series; represented by the fact that Hayden made acouple of low scores, but once he got his eye in, he did make runs in tough conditions during that series. His 94 in the First Test, especially was on a minefield, where all others struggled bar him and Punter.

Langer got cleaned up, but it surely wouldn't of happened if it was on a featherbed like you're suggesting; not so much that he'd need to retire hurt either. It was questionable if Langer was ever going to play again because of that blow.

Symonds was cleaned up by a bouncer that decked back off of the pitch and hit him flush in the mouth; cracking the grill and busting his lip open - requiring stitches. He couldn't even remove his zink cream for days because of it.


No, the difference between Sehwag and Hayden is that Hayden has made runs in favourable seaming and spinning conditions whilst Sehwag has only done the latter.

I doubt Sehwag will ever go through an extended run of form like Hayden did between 2001-2004 where he was literally unstoppable and almost scoring a 100 after every second match he played. At that point in time, Steve Waugh was comparing Hayden to Bradman.

What is Sehwag going through right now (for the past couple of years), if not an extended run of form - a triple and a 293 included? As mentioned Sehwag's career is very much work in progress (and Sehwag Mk2 is both more lethal and more mature than Sehwag Mk 1).

As to Hayden doing well in seaming conditions, there's about a thousand pages of discussion and his stats in Eng,NZ,SA that I wouldn't be able to add a thing to.

[ Sehwag, like Indian batsmen, loves Australian pitches where most of Hayden's exploits have been. Averages more in Australia than himself at home and Hayden in either Aus or Ind.]

 

[jeevan]

It was a minefield all match in both innings for both teams. It was difficult during all of Australia's innings and the ball was doing a bit off the pitch and through the air all the way through Hayden's innings, right til the time when he got out. The South African bowlers bowled exceptionally well, with no reward until after the partnership was broken. The pitch just doesn't convienately get flat when one specific batsman is at the crease. There was 1 score of 350+ in that series (369), which suggests that batting was very difficult and if you saw the series; it was.


Yeah, and if the pitch does something then it almost makes it inevitably impossible to avoid. Similar to like, if the ball had've rolled across the carpet - he wouldn't of been able to play it.

You don't say?? Happens to Sehwag much of the times he scores any. see silentstriker's algorithm earlier in this thread for details.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

What is Sehwag going through right now (for the past couple of years), if not an extended run of form - a triple and a 293 included? As mentioned Sehwag's career is very much work in progress (and Sehwag Mk2 is both more lethal and more mature than Sehwag Mk 1).

As to Hayden doing well in seaming conditions, there's about a thousand pages of discussion and his stats in Eng,NZ,SA that I wouldn't be able to add a thing to.

[ Sehwag, like Indian batsmen, loves Australian pitches where most of Hayden's exploits have been. Averages more in Australia than himself at home and Hayden in either Aus or Ind.]

Sehwag may of scored a few 290+ scores but he hasn't gotten close to 380.

But seriously, Sehwag's played one good knock on a seaming pitch and it wasn't as an opener. All of the times he has opened on something that has offered a bit his failed miserably.

You don't say?? Happens to Sehwag much of the times he scores any. see silentstriker's algorithm earlier in this thread for details.

That's because convienately whenever Sehwag scores runs, a mediocre batsman from either the opposition or his side scores runs aswell.

 

[jeevan]

Sehwag may of scored a few 290+ scores but he hasn't gotten close to 380.

But seriously, Sehwag's played one good knock on a seaming pitch and it wasn't as an opener. All of the times he has opened on something that has offered a bit his failed miserably.


That's because convienately whenever Sehwag scores runs, a mediocre batsman from either the opposition or his side scores runs aswell.

Yup, you're right. Hayden's record is all redeemed because wfdu_ben91 took a couple of cheap shots at Sehwag.

 

[Maximus0723]

all Indian pitches are ****ty? why does ponting suck so much there then? Im guessing Indian pitches aren't bad for spinners?


Many pitches created vs SL were bowler friendly and Sehwag still owned.
More then swing, bounce affects Sehwag's batting more.

 

[silentstriker]

At that point in time, Steve Waugh was comparing Hayden to Bradman.

Like Chappell just compared Sehwag to Bradman? Hayden the great destroyer of attacks on seaming conditions - oh how short a memory people have! That's hilarious.

 

[jeevan]

all Indian pitches are ****ty? why does ponting suck so much there then?

I like this consensus.

whatshisname above has given us a possible answer for the last 9 years. When Sehwag does well, a mediocre batsman from the opposing team has to also do well. Since Sehwag usually does well in India - Ponting can't risk being labeled mediocre, he decides to not do well.

 

[Burgey]

whatshisname above has given us a possible answer for the last 9 years. When Sehwag does well, a mediocre batsman from the opposing team has to also do well. Since Sehwag usually does well in India - Ponting can't risk being labeled mediocre, he decides to not do well.

 

[Migara]

But seriously, Sehwag's played one good knock on a seaming pitch and it wasn't as an opener. All of the times he has opened on something that has offered a bit his failed miserably.

Is openin difficult than playing in the middle order?

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Is openin difficult than playing in the middle order?

Difference yeah. But it's not like playing a completely different sport that you've never tried before like you were suggesting about Laxman having to open the batting.

 

[Cevno]

whatshisname above has given us a possible answer for the last 9 years. When Sehwag does well, a mediocre batsman from the opposing team has to also do well. Since Sehwag usually does well in India - Ponting can't risk being labeled mediocre, he decides to not do well.

 

[Cevno]

That's because convienately whenever Sehwag scores runs, a mediocre batsman from either the opposition or his side scores runs aswell.

2nd Test: Sri Lanka v India at Galle, Jul 31-Aug 3, 2008 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
2nd Test: India v Australia at Chennai, Oct 14-18, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
2nd Test: England v India at Nottingham, Aug 8-12, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
1st Test: Pakistan v India at Multan, Mar 28-Apr 1, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
3rd Test: India v Pakistan at Bangalore, Mar 24-28, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
3rd Test: Australia v India at Melbourne, Dec 26-30, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

 

[wfdu_ben91]

2nd Test: Sri Lanka v India at Galle, Jul 31-Aug 3, 2008 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
2nd Test: India v Australia at Chennai, Oct 14-18, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
2nd Test: England v India at Nottingham, Aug 8-12, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
1st Test: Pakistan v India at Multan, Mar 28-Apr 1, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
3rd Test: India v Pakistan at Bangalore, Mar 24-28, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
3rd Test: Australia v India at Melbourne, Dec 26-30, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

None of those pitches offered anything for the seamers. Either the spinners took wickets or it was a flatout runfest.

 

[Migara]

Difference yeah. But it's not like playing a completely different sport that you've never tried before like you were suggesting about Laxman having to open the batting.

Then why mention it? It's ugly stinky double standards of yours.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Then why mention it? It's ugly stinky double standards of yours.

It is only used when it suits him

 

[The Sean]

whatshisname above has given us a possible answer for the last 9 years. When Sehwag does well, a mediocre batsman from the opposing team has to also do well. Since Sehwag usually does well in India - Ponting can't risk being labeled mediocre, he decides to not do well.

Very, very well played.

 

[ret]

whatshisname above has given us a possible answer for the last 9 years. When Sehwag does well, a mediocre batsman from the opposing team has to also do well. Since Sehwag usually does well in India - Ponting can't risk being labeled mediocre, he decides to not do well.

A good one

 

[Richard]

It was a minefield all match in both innings for both teams. It was difficult during all of Australia's innings and the ball was doing a bit off the pitch and through the air all the way through Hayden's innings, right til the time when he got out. The South African bowlers bowled exceptionally well, with no reward until after the partnership was broken. The pitch just doesn't convienately get flat when one specific batsman is at the crease. There was 1 score of 350+ in that series (369), which suggests that batting was very difficult and if you saw the series; it was.

I saw most of the series, including that entire stand, and the SAfricans bowled decently, caught poorly and the pitch played better than it had done when the SAfricans were batting - they then batted badly in the second-innings, as Australia's lower-order did.

If the ball had been doing much through the air or off the wicket and the SAfricans had held their catches, it's exceptionally unlikely Hayden would've got any, because he was not capable of repelling bowling in such conditions.

Yeah, and if the pitch does something then it almost makes it inevitably impossible to avoid. Similar to like, if the ball had've rolled across the carpet - he wouldn't of been able to play it.

But the ball in question neither rolled along the carpet nor spat off a length - it was a stock-in-trade short delivery that 9999 times out of 10000 a batsman would either sway harmlessly out of the way of \ duck under or sometimes get a blow on the helmet \ have a hook at. The chances of a really nasty blow being struck by such a delivery depend on the batsman playing it badly and exposing the vulnerable area. Which in that case, unfortunately, Langer did. The badness of the blow had everything to do with that and absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the deck.

 

[Richard]

But seriously, Sehwag's played one good knock on a seaming pitch and it wasn't as an opener. All of the times he has opened on something that has offered a bit his failed miserably.

That isn't actually true. Sehwag's knock on his debut was played on a pitch that seamed a bit on the opening morning then flattened-out into a real belter. He played well enough to see-off a short period of the seaming and swinging ball, then cashed-in. As a number-six batsman is expected to, in fact.

However shortly afterwards he actually did open against a ball that was swinging all over the place and played exceptionally well to score a chanceless 106 - that being against England at Trent Bridge. It's fair to say that he's almost never scored anything chanceless in seaming conditions as an opener since then, but he did play that knock, it was an outstanding one, and nothing will ever change that.

 

[Ikki]

It's ironic that Ben makes tedious arguments against Sehwag when he has Richard on his case making similarly tedious arguments against Hayden within a few posts of his own...and yet it doesn't seem to register.