*Official* Pakistan in Australia

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Well I just finished watching a delayed telecast of the T20 and I thought it was one of the most entertaining matches I`ve seen for a while.

Definitely the best display of express bowling in a long, long time. As was seen in the domestic T20 competition you always have a chance while Taity has got overs left to bowl. His ball that was clocked at 160.7kph was the fastest ever recorded in an international match of any sort here in Australia. It was also the third fastest ever recorded in any type of international match anywhere in the world. If memory serves me correctly Brett Lee and Shoab Aktar both bettered it in South Africa at altitude which would make Tait`s the fastest at sea level, I may be wrong but I dont think so.

Reading through some of the comments in this thread makes me wonder just how many of the posters really understand the game at all. Certainly, from their statements about how poor the Pakistan batting was, some have never had to deal with any serious pace bowling. Good fast bowling slows the scoring rate and starts the batsmen wondering where their next runs are going to come from which in turn has you trying to create scoring opportunities that aren`t really there. The result is usually one of two things, it comes off and you look like a genius or it doesnt work and you look like an idiot. More often than not it is the latter.

Tait's the quickest Ive seen - shame he can only keep it up for 2 overs!

Also a shame that Nannes is not younger - nice action and very sharp as well

 

[aussie]

Looking ahead of the T20 in the West Indies. If Lee returns AUS should definately play all 4 quicks 150+ quicks (Lee, Tait, Nannes, Johnson). Those grounds in the windies in Guyana, Barbados, St.Lucia aren't very big so i think spinners could be smoked.

Those 4 quicks @ 150 bowling a consistent back of the lenght line will be very difficult for any team to score againts.

 

[Shri]

Bollinger if Lee isn't fit on time?

 

[Flem274*]

Number of bowlers who owned Pakistan atleast once in the tour to downunder.

Bond.
Tuffy
Martin
O Brien
Guptill
Bollinger
Siddle
Johnson
Watson
Hauritz
Katich
Harris
McKay
Tait.

Basically its anyone who can roll his arm.

Lol. Just pwnd Bangas too.

 

[Matt79]

Looking ahead of the T20 in the West Indies. If Lee returns AUS should definately play all 4 quicks 150+ quicks (Lee, Tait, Nannes, Johnson). Those grounds in the windies in Guyana, Barbados, St.Lucia aren't very big so i think spinners could be smoked.

Those 4 quicks @ 150 bowling a consistent back of the lenght line will be very difficult for any team to score againts.

That's a call out of blue!

 

[mohammad16]

Looking ahead of the T20 in the West Indies. If Lee returns AUS should definately play all 4 quicks 150+ quicks (Lee, Tait, Nannes, Johnson). Those grounds in the windies in Guyana, Barbados, St.Lucia aren't very big so i think spinners could be smoked.

Those 4 quicks @ 150 bowling a consistent back of the lenght line will be very difficult for any team to score againts.

Or easier to score against.... If at that pace you lack something off the deck or are wayward, the good players will just own you, they love it. I definitely would not play all of them Together, Lee is the only real quality bowler of the 4, rest are inconsistent.

 

[NZTailender]

"All I know is my gut says maybe"

"...tell my wife...hello."

 

[Matt79]

Or easier to score against.... If at that pace you lack something off the deck or are wayward, the good players will just own you, they love it. I definitely would not play all of them Together, Lee is the only real quality bowler of the 4, rest are inconsistent.

Lol. Yeah, cause if you're calling Johnson inconsistent, Lee is obviously consistent. And Tait is consistently quality in LOs, esp. T20.

 

[TT Boy]

Or easier to score against.... If at that pace you lack something off the deck or are wayward, the good players will just own you, they love it. I definitely would not play all of them Together, Lee is the only real quality bowler of the 4, rest are inconsistent.

And the Windies wickets have no pace (maybe Jamaica) so I'm not sure why you would want to bowl back of a length when the ball will just sit up to be spanked. Anyone remember how Johnson fared last time he was in the West Indies? Xavier Marshall made mince meat out of him...

Tait has form there because he pitched it up and took the pitch out of the equation.

The 20/20 World Cup if the wickets play like they have recently should be dominated by spinners and trundlers.

 

[aussie]

Or easier to score against.... If at that pace you lack something off the deck or are wayward, the good players will just own you, they love it. I definitely would not play all of them Together, Lee is the only real quality bowler of the 4, rest are inconsistent.

Ha as already mentioned by poster Matt79, its crazy to say Lee is the only real quality & consistent bowler of the 4 in T20. All of them are proven excellent T20 fast-bowlers possessing all the skills to be destructive in that format.

The batsmen won't love facing them at all, since they are by no means one-dimentional when it comes to their line-and-lenght along with their variety. All three are excellent death bowlers & given that a T20 is basically just like bowling in last 10 overs of a 50 over game, you basically have a potential perfect T20 pace attack with those 4.

 

[aussie]

And the Windies wickets have no pace (maybe Jamaica) so I'm not sure why you would want to bowl back of a length when the ball will just sit up to be spanked. Anyone remember how Johnson fared last time he was in the West Indies? Xavier Marshall made mince meat out of him...

Tait has form there because he pitched it up and took the pitch out of the equation.

The 20/20 World Cup if the wickets play like they have recently should be dominated by spinners and trundlers.

Johnson in West Indies 2008 is no comparison to the bowler he is now. He was in the early stages of his career then. So using his bowling performances then as a guide to how he would bowl their in a few months is way off the mark.

Of the grounds that will be used for the T20 WC, the wickets in Guyana & St.Lucia probably wont have pace but Barbados definately could. But all those grounds are fairly small, so IMO i think spinners will be at a disdavantage since miss hits, can go for 6 pretty easily which would reduce their likely consistent effectiveness in that format in those conditions.

Back-of-lenght is a safe line to bowl. Too full or too short & you could get smashed in that. But those 4 (Lee,Tait, Nannes, Johnson) are skilled T20 bowlers, so i would back them to no when to bowl what lenght...

 

[dikinee]

And the Windies wickets have no pace (maybe Jamaica) so I'm not sure why you would want to bowl back of a length when the ball will just sit up to be spanked. Anyone remember how Johnson fared last time he was in the West Indies? Xavier Marshall made mince meat out of him...

Tait has form there because he pitched it up and took the pitch out of the equation.

The 20/20 World Cup if the wickets play like they have recently should be dominated by spinners and trundlers.

Spot on. I would be looking at sending more of the David Hussey types than fast bowlers. It is the slower bowlers who will have the biggest impact in the Carribean. Australia did very well last night on a pitch that was a pace bowlers dream but put those same bowlers on the dead tracks in the West Indies and it will be a different result. Mitchell Johnson was lucky not to go for 20 every over bowling the length that he does. When Australian bowlers work out that you need to bowl full and at the stumps in T20 then the rest of the world will have cause for concern but until then we will continue to be unsuccessful away from home.

 

[mohammad16]

Ha as already mentioned by poster Matt79, its crazy to say Lee is the only real quality & consistent bowler of the 4 in T20. All of them are proven excellent T20 fast-bowlers possessing all the skills to be destructive in that format.

The batsmen won't love facing them at all, since they are by no means one-dimentional when it comes to their line-and-lenght along with their variety. All three are excellent death bowlers & given that a T20 is basically just like bowling in last 10 overs of a 50 over game, you basically have a potential perfect T20 pace attack with those 4.

Honestly that is not a bold move, you need a bit more variety and I would at least go for one medium pace control bowler. What Australia really lack is a quality spin option and we all know in 20 20s young history how dominant spin has been on all kinds of tracks. I mean doesnt it surprise you that the likes of Parnell, Umar Gul and Rana seem to have better 2020 records than Aussie thunderbolts?

I know pace can be a big asset, but really 4 150 plus bowlers is a gamble, especially on Windies pitches.

Lets not forget despite yesterdays pacy conditions, some of the pace still got taken to the cleaners by Akmal and hes no Sehwag or Gayle.

 

[thierry henry]

Slats just said on air (and it sounded like he'd been doing some research) that Lee and Akhtar both bowled faster than 160.7kph at the 2003 World Cup.

The more I think about it the more I'm pretty sure Akhtar's ball to Knight topped 100mph, hence the fanfare.

Surprising how inaccurately this data is kept.

I was right

Akhtar v Knight, 2003 WC, 161.3 kph YouTube - Shoaib Akhtar Bowls The Fastest Ball In The History Of Cricket

 

[aussie]

Honestly that is not a bold move, you need a bit more variety and I would at least go for one medium pace control bowler. What Australia really lack is a quality spin option and we all know in 20 20s young history how dominant spin has been on all kinds of tracks. I mean doesnt it surprise you that the likes of Parnell, Umar Gul and Rana seem to have better 2020 records than Aussie thunderbolts?

I know pace can be a big asset, but really 4 150 plus bowlers is a gamble, especially on Windies pitches.

Lets not forget despite yesterdays pacy conditions, some of the pace still got taken to the cleaners by Akmal and hes no Sehwag or Gayle.

I dont see why its bold especially as i said when you consider all those bowlers have are proven very good T20 bowlers, which is all the qualities the likes of Gul, Rana, Parnell, Malinga have based on what i've seen.

Of course im not going to be naive to say they would never be hit - they certainly can & will be givent hats the nature of the T20 format. But pace is AUS strenght, as i said before bowling in T20 is just like bowling in the last 10 overs of a 50 over game, you need a good/excellent yorker, good slower balls, good slower bumper & all 4 of those cats have those skills to a strong degree.

Spin isn't really needed in a T20 team if its not of T20 quality, AUS dropped Hauritz so that pretty much proves the selectors realise they don't have any quality T20 spin bowlers. Pace all the way!

 

[Top_Cat]

Spin isn't really needed in a T20 team if its not of T20 quality, AUS dropped Hauritz so that pretty much proves the selectors realise they don't have any quality T20 spin bowlers. Pace all the way!

Err I'd not be citing the OZ selectors in any positive way about anything, tbh....

 

[aussie]

Err I'd not be citing the OZ selectors in any positive way about anything, tbh....

Since WI tour 07/08 thats has indeed been the case given the amount of crap decisions/selections they have made. But i think dropping Hauritz from the T20 set-up is the best move, since i was always of the opinion AUS in T20s should with a the 4 prong 150 mph attack especially with the WC in mind. Thats the bowling strenght.

Somebody is going to get & blood is going to run soon

 

[Top_Cat]

Macho bull**** sides have tended to suck big at T20. The attack you're mooting will go the journey, I reckon. We'll just have to wait and see but I'm not getting too excited about these guys bashing a demoralised Pakistan outfit. Not that I think Lee is in with a serious shot of making the T20 WC anyway.

Even if the attack is on, as we saw last night, OZ's biggest problems lie with their batting.

 

[aussie]

Macho bull**** sides have tended to suck big at T20. The attack you're mooting will go the journey, I reckon. We'll just have to wait and see but I'm not getting too excited about these guys bashing a demoralised Pakistan outfit. Not that I think Lee is in with a serious shot of making the T20 WC anyway.

Even if the attack is on, as we saw last night, OZ's biggest problems lie with their batting.

What makes that side macho bull***?.

I see no reason for valid reasons why those 4 bowlers will go the journey regularly - thats way OTT. All have the skills required to be good T20 fast bowlers. Is that not obvious by watching them bowl?.

How is a fit Lee not with in a serious shot of making the WC squad?. Especially when you consider he is likely to be bowling by the time the IPL begins - thus will have T20 practise before the WC.

Yes AUS T20 problem is definately the batting. But that can be fixed, outside of Clarke the best potential T20 batsmen are in the team ATM. So sooner or later they will click as a T20 batting unit

 

[vic_orthdox]

Chris Gayle liked an all pace attack in the T20 WC.