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*Official* England in South Africa

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Onions will take a hatful when he finally gets a bit of luck.

Anyway not expecting much from England, have a habit of making things hard for themselves and regularly play badly after they win.
 

Woodster

International Captain
What is the verdict on CW about the caught behind? Pollock saw daylight between bat and ball but the sound was pretty incriminating. I'm piss poor at judging these, myself, mind.
Judging by the reactions of the players. the noise that was present, the immediate decision to refer from Strauss, the fact that the bat was nowhere near anything else for the noise to be anything other than bat on ball, all says to me that more than likely he did edge it. However, if asked should it have been overturned ? Then I'd probably say no, because despite what I have said, there was nothing absolutely conclusive on the replays, ie a visual deviation, that would confirm he nicked it.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Onions will take a hatful when he finally gets a bit of luck.

Anyway not expecting much from England, have a habit of making things hard for themselves and regularly play badly after they win.
Bank on cue! Traps Amla bang in front with a type of dismissal that was growing increasing inevitable for Amla.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
****kkkkkkkkkk I missed the dismissal cos I flicked over to the T20 in Australia.

Shame on me.
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Poor Ashwell Prince..he shouldnt be opening. Its pretty clear he is not comfortable in this position. Whats wrong with Amla? Is he not happy opening the batting?
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Judging by the reactions of the players. the noise that was present, the immediate decision to refer from Strauss, the fact that the bat was nowhere near anything else for the noise to be anything other than bat on ball, all says to me that more than likely he did edge it. However, if asked should it have been overturned ? Then I'd probably say no, because despite what I have said, there was nothing absolutely conclusive on the replays, ie a visual deviation, that would confirm he nicked it.
Would be interesting to see if they could use hawkeye to measure if there has been a visual deviation from the path of the ball. Of course, stuff like swing can complicate things but I do not think that such technology is out of the realms of possibility. However, once accuracy becomes so high, incorrect referrals allowed should probably be reduced to 1, as there is no reason for more than one attempt and play may start to be unduely held up.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Been a really good spell of bowling since lunch, made the batsman play at everything. Just what I like. Hope they keep it up.

That said, the 2 batsman have done well to counter this. It helps that both men have excellent techniques.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
Hope a double bowling change is on the cards. Really not much swing in there for Anderson at the moment, would like to see Onions back on.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Really do think Onions head position affects his bowling, the reason why he has such a high ER is because he bowls at least 1-2 4 balls an over. Even if his other 4 balls are on the stumps he is rarely able to apply any sort of pressure.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Would be interesting to see if they could use hawkeye to measure if there has been a visual deviation from the path of the ball. Of course, stuff like swing can complicate things but I do not think that such technology is out of the realms of possibility. However, once accuracy becomes so high, incorrect referrals allowed should probably be reduced to 1, as there is no reason for more than one attempt and play may start to be unduely held up.
I think two attempts will be around for some time, unless these referrals are taken out of the players hands and dealt with by the umpires. Yes there is probably scope for further technological enhancement on these caught behind decisions, but if the host broadcaster did have snicko and hotspot available it should give enough evidence to reach a conclusive enough decision.

Time it is taking for these reviews may become an issue, from the moment that the players begin to discuss to the time it takes to review can surely be restricted further.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Really do think Onions head position affects his bowling, the reason why he has such a high ER is because he bowls at least 1-2 4 balls an over. Even if his other 4 balls are on the stumps he is rarely able to apply any sort of pressure.
Not sure I'd agree with this, I think Onions is able to build plenty of pressure on batsman with the consistent line he bowls. He will get driven due to the fullish length he generally hits, this is why his ER is higher than perhaps a more defensive style bowler. But nhe averages under 30 due to the wickets he takes with his very probing lengths and lines.
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Judging by the reactions of the players. the noise that was present, the immediate decision to refer from Strauss, the fact that the bat was nowhere near anything else for the noise to be anything other than bat on ball, all says to me that more than likely he did edge it.
For these reasons, it was stone dead out. The 3rd umpire decision was an absolute shocker.

However, if asked should it have been overturned ? Then I'd probably say no, because despite what I have said, there was nothing absolutely conclusive on the replays, ie a visual deviation, that would confirm he nicked it.
I disagree. There was no visible deviation, but so what? With a fine nick like that one you wouldn't expect to see a deviation. The key evidence was the clear nick that the stump mic picked up, which came at precisely the right split second and which could not have come from any other obvious source, eg bat on pad or bat on ground.
 

Woodster

International Captain
For these reasons, it was stone dead out. The 3rd umpire decision was an absolute shocker.



I disagree. There was no visible deviation, but so what? With a fine nick like that one you wouldn't expect to see a deviation. The key evidence was the clear nick that the stump mic picked up, which came at precisely the right split second and which could not have come from any other obvious source, eg bat on pad or bat on ground.
Fine nicks are always going to be difficult to detect, there was no deviation as you say due to the fact it was a very fine edge, and there was a noise, but it is very difficult to say that noise definitely came from the bat and that the standing umpire had made a howler, of which this system is there to eliminate. The noise is a difficult one to explain, there are a number of admittedly highly unlikely sources the noise may have emanated from, and imo, enough to suggest there was doubt.
 

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