Days of Grace
International Captain
Not unless the curse is lifted.
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*Official* Pakistan in Australia
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Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Something along the lines of screaming in the bowler's face, I'd reckon.
Jayzamann
International Regular
Man, you'd sure hope so.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Even if Pakistan were left 4 1/2 sessions (leaving Australia around 3 hours to bat tomorrow) I doubt they'd score 450 if they batted them all out.
That's around 100 per session. They'd have to really cruise it with a huge top order partnership.
Not happening. 350 is one thing, 450 in 4 1/2 sessions is another.
It'd be weird for Ponting to make a really attacking declaration in the first innings and then a very defensive one in the second innings.
That's around 100 per session. They'd have to really cruise it with a huge top order partnership.
Not happening. 350 is one thing, 450 in 4 1/2 sessions is another.
It'd be weird for Ponting to make a really attacking declaration in the first innings and then a very defensive one in the second innings.
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Nate
You'll Never Walk Alone
Hoping he holds up a sign with his averages, followed by "STFU NOOBS LOL".
Xuhaib
International Coach
does not move his feet even though when he is defending his footwork is good also is too flashy for my liking a bad run of scores afte the honeymoon is over will put some sense in him have to admit got a brilliant eye.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
On the subject of Rauf, I really don't think that he can stay in the Test team at his speed. It would seem that, at Test level these days, you need to be 135kph or more to succeed as a pace bowler, unless you really are something special such as being a massive seamer of the ball like Mohammad Asif. I must concede that I have disputed such a view on these forums, but the Test debuts of Rauf, Tonge, Rampaul, McKay, (as well as the lesser Albie Morkel), all distinguished domestic performers, with such limited success, has shown me that. Even someone like Zaheer Khan, who has a great deal of experience and guile, only performs averagely, taking wickets at around 35 recently.
I think that Pakistan should look to get Umar Gul back into the team (if possible), I think that he could be potent in Australia and improve on his performances in New Zealand. I think that conditions will assist his extra speed and the fact that he reverses the ball. Kaneria for a straight swap with Ajmal too, fitness pending.
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They're all playing in Australia. Those pitches offer nothing to fast-medium, it's all about the pace, bounce and carry.
I thought Gul was injured? Maybe I just assumed that because there's no other reason you'd drop him for Rauf. I think Gul's brilliant.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
I don't think there is a definite answer here, I think some say he's injured, others say unwell and others say dropped.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Definitely modern day Australia is about that, because of course, Mcgrath, Gillespie, Reiffel, Fleming and numerous others all succeeded at fast medium pace.
Prince EWS
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I don't think it's lack of pace that brought Rauf, Tonge, Rampaul and McKay undone - they just didn't bowl very well. Obviously the slower you bowl the more disciplined you have to be, but I reckon it's more a case of them just bowling rubbish than not having the tools. I distinctly remember Rampaul bowling a particularly threatening spell in which he reversed it for example, and let's not forget countless other examples like Watson's form with the ball this summer, Stuart Clark's record up until last season, McGrath's record before that, a few of Asif's spells in this game, Bravo's bowling throughout this summer, Kallis's bowling last summer etc etc.
Pace and bounce are obviously a bit more valuable in Australia than elsewhere, but I don't think there's a speed cap at 140 to be successful by any means. Like anywhere else, it's about bowling well and using the conditions - it's still quite possible to do that at 130 and 135. I think people are sucked in by the fact that really fast bowling looks more effective in Australia, but for all the hype about how well Roach bowled this season, how well Sharma bowled when India toured etc, they actually weren't very effective. I agree that both were unlucky but I do think it is a bit of an illusion at times. There's a big difference between batsmen playing awkward-looking shots and batsmen getting out.
Pace and bounce are obviously a bit more valuable in Australia than elsewhere, but I don't think there's a speed cap at 140 to be successful by any means. Like anywhere else, it's about bowling well and using the conditions - it's still quite possible to do that at 130 and 135. I think people are sucked in by the fact that really fast bowling looks more effective in Australia, but for all the hype about how well Roach bowled this season, how well Sharma bowled when India toured etc, they actually weren't very effective. I agree that both were unlucky but I do think it is a bit of an illusion at times. There's a big difference between batsmen playing awkward-looking shots and batsmen getting out.
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