just hope the boys don't lose too much heart over this. it's not easy playing in UAE with it's 40+C heat. plus the kiwis are just coming out of a winter as well. we pretty much had them under complete control until the heat got to our players. so all in all a good days work...
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**Official** New Zealand v Pakistan in UAE
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Athlai
Not Terrible
It could potentially come with age as his body gradually strengthens. By the time he is 23-24 he should hopefully be 140-145 consistently.
Howsie
International Captain
The only problem with that is the New Zealand selectors are hell bent on playing him now, he can't play international cricket for another 3-4 years while we wait for him to become our attack's leader. If he wasn't playing international cricket yet, I'd happily wait, but he isn't going to succeed (not often anyway) bowling at 130-135.
Athlai
Not Terrible
No even if he plays regularly I'd say this strengthening of the body will occur.
Days of Grace
International Captain
All this talk that we need an extra batsmen when the reason why we lost is that the top 5 batsmen apart from Redmond didn't step up.
Your 7/8/9 should be putting the finishing touch on an innings, not having to bat 30 overs.
Your 7/8/9 should be putting the finishing touch on an innings, not having to bat 30 overs.
Days of Grace
International Captain
I'm also worried about Bond's ability to bowl at the death. He bowled some half volley rubbish which Akmal smacked over the vacant third man. Third man was vacant FFS.
Even Southee outbowled Bond at the death, which is a coup for him.
Butler just bowled a load of length pies.
Even Southee outbowled Bond at the death, which is a coup for him.
Butler just bowled a load of length pies.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
AWTA. Having an extra specialist bat in the top order would've helped, though. Like Broom, for instance.[/bias]
As Scaly mentioned, when Afridi plays using his brain, he can be very lethal. Combined with Razzaq (who I am so glad is back playing) and Gul, Pakistan have a pretty darn good bowling attack, let alone lower order batting. Going back to what Days of Grace said, we shouldn't rely on the lower-order to get things done, like we so often have in the past, because a) it's the top orders job to get runs and b), perhaps even more crucially in this series, Pakistan have the better lower order.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
That's clearly true.
I guess it just rankles that what looked at the time, and still does look like a clear selection error could be made. It's not the main reason we lost, however no-one is saying we'd have won if Broom or Watling had played ahead of Butler/ N McCullum either.
I'm looking at McCullum, Taylor and Styris as big underperformers lately who we really need to score some runs.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Half an argument for 6 IMO. Then most of the time he can bat like the dirty slogger he is and that gave him such success in the IPL.
Problem is, we still want him to be a proper batsman in tests.
Flem274*
123/5
You misread me.So...in the UAE...its not International Cricket?
I said he shouldn't play international cricket, probably should have added especially in the UAE, because it's not going to assist him.
Flem274*
123/5
Jesse is fit. He's fat, but he can move.
Guptill, Taylor, Elliott are all quality. The first two are a bit brainless at times, but quality.
Elliott was really missed here. Was the perfect situation for one of his fightbacks. We'd probably still have lost due to the target and magnitude of fail above him but I feel we missed his ability to ressurrect the innings.
Hoping Styris can show some form. We know today was just a fail day for Guptill and Taylor, but hopefuly Styris will contribute in his comeback.
I mean, Redmond managed it.
Howsie
International Captain
But Redmond's actually good, I mean look at all the talent he has. It's not fair you compare McCullum, Taylor and Oram to him
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
No. Would rather he go up to three if he is ever to be moved. 4 is best for him, and we should wait until the end of the series before we start talking about making changes to the roles of the established players.
When Taylor wants to bat like a proper batsmen he is superb. Imagine the T20 things will disappear as the summer wears on, and return at the next IPL/World T20.
Flem274*
123/5
Hmmm no not the right mix imo. Personally would opt for:
Redmond (omg wtf bbq never thought I'd be saying that)
McCullum (not going to chop and change after the start of a series)
Guptill
Taylor
Styris
Vettori
Oram
McCullum/Franklin
Mills
Southee
Bond
Notorious1
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Even a full strength NZ side would struggled in these conditions against Paksitan.
Ryder (Dangerous, but inconsistent)
Elliot (Good player, would have made a difference)
Mills (Not of much use in these conditions, but could have done a better job than Butler or Southee.)
Notorious1
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
They did.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
This match the fact is Pakistan were in a fair bit of trouble batting first but escaped through a combination of some weak follow-up bowling and the stars aligning for Afridi. And then some good hitting from Akmal. It's true that NZ batsmen don't usually excel in these sorts of conditions against good spin bowlers, but if we'd been chasing 200-220 as could have been then should still have had enough to get across the line.
Plus, you forgot Tuffey. Tuffey + Mills replace Butler + Southee and things look better (though before Athlai jumps on me, yes Southee did do well last night
). Ryder for Redmond. Elliott for N McCullum or Oram.Pakistan IMO still slight favourites in these conditions if NZ full strength. But at present Pakistan bigger favourites, more like 70:30.