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***Official*** West Indies in England

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
A lot of West Indian selectors have lived by that logic and it hasn't got us all that far tbh.
Well technically since Gayle & Sarwan debuted in 2000. Every WI player expect Nash has debuted on either limited FC experience or the x-factor/signs of an x-factor really. That will continue to happen unless the FC structure is improved or a national academy is built to compensate for thatTBH.

Its seems only Trinidadians could be a bit of an exception because of their local structure is fairly solid. I know that down there alot of players from around the region play in a very competitive local division 1 competitions & get payed.
 

sammy2

Banned
No respect for West Indies
Fazeer Mohammed

April 29, 2009




Even after beating them, we're still not respected.

He may have very different and quite effective ways of motivating his charges, but if John Dyson is looking for something to really get the West Indies players focussed and worked up ahead of the two Tests against England next month, highlighting the comments of Hugh Morris last week in relation to Andrew Flintoff might not be such a bad idea.

When the news broke that England's premier all-round cricketer and talismanic figure was cutting short his already truncated but very well-paid commitments with the Chennai Super Kings in the Indian Premier League due to a knee injury, this is what Morris, the former Glamorgan and England opening batsman and now managing director of cricket at the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB), said:

"Andrew has been extremely unlucky with injuries but if there is one saving grace it is that the injury has occurred now rather than on the eve of either the ICC World Twenty20 or the Ashes. Having the surgery now means that Flintoff should be available for both those events although he is certain to miss the Test series against the West Indies."

You know, you would think that after losing the four-Test series in the Caribbean a few weeks ago 1-0-a result that confounded most very confident forecasts, both English and West Indian-anyone speaking on behalf of English cricket would have the sense to at least pretend that the regional team is worthy of some consideration as a competitive outfit and should not be simply overlooked again.

Look, even if they don't mean it and are saying it just for public relations and mamaguile sake, surely the West Indies, by virtue of their performances at home against the same opponents, are worthy of some acknowledgement in light of the fact that they will go into the opening encounter at Lord's next Wednesday as holders of the Wisden Trophy.

But for Morris to state that it is better for Flintoff to be out of commission now instead of June onwards, is to imply that the West Indies remain among the ranks of little-regarded lightweights despite the recent series result. It's as if the images of a celebrating home team with skipper Chris Gayle holding the Wisden Trophy aloft at the Queen's Park Oval were all a mirage.

And maybe the matches in London and Durham the following week will expose again the weaknesses that have existed for so long in West Indies cricket and England will romp to a resounding triumph. That still doesn't change the fact that the underdogs came out on top last time around.

Yes, there were two Tests when the hosts escaped by the skin of their teeth and another that would have still ended in a draw if another five days had been added on to it. Still, it is worth keeping in mind that, before that decisive period of play on the fourth day of the first Test at Sabina Park, most of the experts (again English AND West Indian) who have since been vigorously back-pedalling from their earlier pronouncements would have rubbished the notion that the West Indies would claim the series by the narrowest of margins and with the help of two tail-end rearguards.

Maybe it's a legacy of having to cope with the likes of Patrick Patterson, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh and Malcolm Marshall in two of his three Tests in 1991 that Morris, by inference, regards the West Indies so lightly despite the very recent series.

If so, he would not be the only cricketer of that era who takes genuine pleasure in seeing the Caribbean team languishing in the lower reaches of the Test rankings after all the pain and humiliation inflicted on English teams, especially in the glory days of incomparable dominance.
It's clearly not on the same scale of Tony Greig's "grovel" comment ahead of the 1976 series in England. But in a different way, Morris' remarks are even more insulting in that while the South African-born English captain was clearly seeking to get under the skin of his impending challengers and so throw them off their game, the ECB official doesn't consider the present West Indies squad to be of the calibre that necessarily requires the home side to be at full strength, especially as this is only a warm-up for the real challenges of the summer that lie ahead in the shape of the Twenty20 World Cup and the Ashes.

No doubt the usual platitudes will be uttered on the eve of the first Test and it wouldn't be at all surprising if an extra effort is made by the hosts to emphasise how important winning these matches and reclaiming of the Wisden Trophy are. It is instructive, though, to know what people really think about you and Morris has made clear England's disregard for the West Indies, especially with Ricky Ponting's Australians due there soon.

I suppose it will come across as exceptionally sensitive and irritatingly thin-skinned for others to hear us going on about disrespect. But you have to really know West Indian history, not just West Indian cricket history, to appreciate why being treated as an afterthought is so incendiary, especially after you've just beaten the same people who are dissing you again!

However, if it serves to light a fire in West Indian hearts amid the chill of Lord's and Riverside, then we may well have to be thankful to Mr Morris after all.

Fazeer Mohammed is a writer and broadcaster in Port-of-Spain, Trinidad


Yes Fazeer.
Even these old and young English fans are still hurting from the pain inflicted upon England by the windies.
 

howardj

International Coach
Don't think Morris was implying that the Windies are easybeats, just that the Series against them doesn't mean as much to England as the T20 WC or the Ashes.
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Even these old and young English fans are still hurting from the pain inflicted upon England by the windies.
You are laughably wide of the mark, son. Once again, you need to know that you are embarrassing yourself.

Without any exception that I can think of, English cricket fans have profound respect for the great WI sides and remember those teams in a very positive light and in fact are keen for the WI to build up their strength again. The shambles that has been WI cricket in recent years has not made anyone happy.

English fans hurt from being battered by Australia but not the WI. The fact that you seem unable to pick up on this makes me wonder if you even read what others post on these pages.
 

shivfan

Banned
Let's rein this in a bit, guys....
:dry:
This Trinidad vs Jamaica mudslinging is pointless. Both islands need each other, and posters from both islands have a tendency to go overboard. Let's leave the bickering for another forum.

Jamaican players like Chris Gayle and Jerome Taylor, and Trini players like Dwayne Bravo and Denesh Ramdin, are all key members of this WI team.

I'm someone who grew up in Jamaica, and I'm one of Lendl Simmons' biggest fans....
:)
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Bernard should not be in the team. It's a disgrace that he's even on tour. And yes, I'm fully aware that he had a not-awful game in the tour match - means nothing to me.
Why is that? This is not meant to defend him, but more on a vaguely related note, my brother saw Bernard bowl on some SkySports News highlights and said he looks a handy bowler.
 

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
Let's rein this in a bit, guys....
:dry:
This Trinidad vs Jamaica mudslinging is pointless. Both islands need each other, and posters from both islands have a tendency to go overboard. Let's leave the bickering for another forum.

Jamaican players like Chris Gayle and Jerome Taylor, and Trini players like Dwayne Bravo and Denesh Ramdin, are all key members of this WI team.

I'm someone who grew up in Jamaica, and I'm one of Lendl Simmons' biggest fans....
:)
I'm hoping your fandom of young Lendl Simmons pays off. I quite like the look of Simmons, appears to have a good temperment, even a solid technique. May find himself out of his depth opening in England for the first time, but I hope he pulls through. Rather than becoming the next Darren Ganga.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
We have to put up with your selective memory, and lies about cricket past. I'm sure they can put up with me posting exactly how I feel.

I wasn't talking to you, get over it.
I wasn't talking to you either, I was talking to people a) with more than half a brain and b) who actually matter on CW.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
This Trinidad vs Jamaica mudslinging is pointless. Both islands need each other, and posters from both islands have a tendency to go overboard. Let's leave the bickering for another forum.
There's only one poster on CW who's actually guilty of said, and it's one who's guilty of coutless other things, including spamming the forum every single time he makes a post.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I'm hoping your fandom of young Lendl Simmons pays off. I quite like the look of Simmons, appears to have a good temperment, even a solid technique. May find himself out of his depth opening in England for the first time, but I hope he pulls through. Rather than becoming the next Darren Ganga.
Devon Smith's already the next Daren Ganga - Simmons would have to make do with being the next Devon Smith.

Let's hope, of course, that he's not, though whether he's as good as either of the aforementioned remains to be seen.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Devon Smith's already the next Daren Ganga - Simmons would have to make do with being the next Devon Smith.

Let's hope, of course, that he's not, though whether he's as good as either of the aforementioned remains to be seen.
Simmons has the potential to be even more Ganga-like than Smith though. Smith's actually an opener; both Ganga and Simmons are upper-middle-order players who have been shoved up to open because they look like they're technically suited to it.
 

shivfan

Banned
Yeah, as a WI fan, I'm accustomed to supporting a young batsman who's supposed to be the next big thing....
:)
Only to get dropped shortly afterwards! I'm just hoping Simmons is not the next batsman in a long line of promising young batters who can't hack it at international level.

To be fair, Simmons has both opened the batting, and batted at three and four in his young career to date. So, he does provide options.

I have a few concerns about his technique, i.e. where his head is when bat hits ball, etc. But I think he's a better prospect than Smith and Hinds right now. I'd like to see Barath in the side, but like Mr Mx, I'm prepared to wait for him to play one more regional season for Trinidad first....

Beggars can't be choosers - if Bernard is the best we have to fill the current gap in the WI lineup, then I say, give him a chance!
:)
 

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
Fingers crossed that Simmons can actually make it as an opener. The amount of below poor test openers tried by West Indies in recent years is embarrasing. Ramdass, Parchment, Chattergoon, Joseph and Marshall. Let alone openers who where persisted with but never made it, Smith and Ganga.
 

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
what's happening with samuels? is he due back soon?
I believe Marlon Samuels is still a full year off from a return to international cricket. Hopefully he is keeping his batting up to scratch, two years is a long time to be out of the game.
 

shivfan

Banned
I believe Marlon Samuels is still a full year off from a return to international cricket. Hopefully he is keeping his batting up to scratch, two years is a long time to be out of the game.
Even when he comes back, he's going to have to play for Jamaica, and prove that he can still make runs....

Given that he was hit with his ban in May 2008, he'll miss the 2010 domestic four-day season, and will have to play for Jamaica in the regional one-day competition in the autumn to prove himself.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I know you rather a poster who kiss ass, but I aint the one. If im not talking to you, you should mind your business instead of being an internet police.
LOL, if you want your comments to be read by only those you are replying to, then try email :laugh:
 

oitoitoi

State Vice-Captain
Even when he comes back, he's going to have to play for Jamaica, and prove that he can still make runs....

Given that he was hit with his ban in May 2008, he'll miss the 2010 domestic four-day season, and will have to play for Jamaica in the regional one-day competition in the autumn to prove himself.
Shame, I'm still not entirely sure as to what he actually did wrong. Doesn't seem the type to fix matches, was just starting to look good too, thought he played excellently in South Africa, similar to Gayle in New Zealand recently, cut the aggression, played for the team.
 

shivfan

Banned
He seems to have unwisely given info on team selection, and stuff like that, to this bookie-friend, according to reports....

Gayle arrived in London this morning....
:)
 

pasag

RTDAS
You are badminded trini, prolly angry ganga isn't captain anymore. Chris gayle to the world, I know it hurts you. I always thought you weren't west indian, that explains it all. Another trini who doesn't support or believe the WI can do good. Im so happy helegance aka samuels ran out lara in his final game.
Catch.
 

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