NZs Bowling Attack For India

[Mixmasterreece]

O'Brien
Vettori
Southee
Mills/ Bond (If rumour on other forum I visit about him making comeback is true)
Oram

And what forum is this?

 

[Mixmasterreece]

O'Brien
Southee/Martin
Mills
Vettori
Oram

With Ryder playing a part time role.

Maybe in a lineup of:

1- Guptil
2- McIntosh
3- Ryder
4- Taylor
5- Flynn
6- McCullum/Elliott (if no Oram)
7- Oram/McCullum
8- Vettori
9- Mills
10- Southee/Martin in non-swing conditions.
11- O'Brien

1- Guptil
2- McIntosh
3- Flynn
4- Taylor
5- Ryder
6- Elliott
7- McCullum
8- Mills
9- Vetorri
10- Southee
11- O'Brien

 

[Flem274*]

In seaming conditions, I'd really back all three of Sreesanth, Kumar, and Munaf. They get a worse rap than they deserve due to having to bowl on pitches crap for fast bowling.

I'm not going to go to the best pace attack nonsense, but frankly, I'd back our pace attack to do real well on pitches in New Zealand. If we go in with three seamers, I think all three of them will be effective. Obviously, I don't know the comparative effectiveness against New Zealand seamers who will be playing on home turf, and our batsmen could just implode like they did on the last tour, but going in, it's not the pace attack that's worrying me.

Pitches have actualy been really flat this year surprisingly, so I have no idea what will be produced.

If Napier is a greentop I will join Polo in running down the street naked. Napier is always flat.

The Indian pace attack could, and probably will, be very good in the future, but atm its a bit too raw imo, they still have to escape Indias seamer curse of starting well then falling away.

 

[Evermind]

Also, pick a new spinner every game. Element of surprise works against Indian batsmen.

And whoever they pick, he's bound to be better than Cameron White.

Thank you White, for (at least temporarily) lowering international spinning standards to club level.

 

[Evermind]

Shane Bond is NOT coming back. Period.

And even if he comes back, what form he has behind him?

Wow, it would totally destroy India if he were back!

Bond without form still > all bowlers from India and NZ put together.

 

[Matt52]

Id go for this.

Guptill
Flynn
Fulton/ Williamson in a few years
Taylor
Ryder
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Southee
OBrien
Martin/Mills/Franklin/Boult. (I dont know.) I might choose Broom a the back up batsman.

Just think overall Fulton is better than McIntosh in terms of ability and performance over his entire career. Flynn looks like a born opener. Someone just needs to get him drunk to convince him.

 

[Flem274*]

Id go for this.

Guptill
Flynn
Fulton/ Williamson in a few years
Taylor
Ryder
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Southee
OBrien
Martin/Mills/Franklin/Boult. (I dont know.) I might choose Broom a the back up batsman.

Just think overall Fulton is better than McIntosh in terms of ability and performance over his entire career. Flynn looks like a born opener. Someone just needs to get him drunk to convince him.

I'm glad you're not a selector.

I do agree Fulton>McIntosh though.

 

[Flem274*]

1- Guptil
2- McIntosh
3- Flynn
4- Taylor
5- Ryder
6- Elliott
7- McCullum
8- Mills
9- Vetorri
10- Southee
11- O'Brien

Why Elliott? I'd have him as an ODI specialist tbh.

 

[thierry henry]

Mills has to play, he deserves the next 5 or 6 tests regardless of how bad he goes, ffs I'll be very infuriated if he isn't picked.

 

[HMas]

Is Oram fit??

 

[HMas]

New Zealands ODI home record since Feb 2001 - Feb 2009

Played 71 - Won 43 Lost 24 Tie 1 n/r 3

Won V Pakistan 3-2
Won V England 3-2
Won v India 5-2
Won V Pakistan 4-1
Won V S.A 5-1
Won V S.L 1-0
Lost v Aus 0-5
Lost v Aus 1-2
Won v S.L 3-1
Won v W.I 4-1
Drew v S.L 2-2
won V Aus 3-0
Won V Bang 3-0
Won v Eng 3-1
Won v W.I 2-1

Apart from Australia! Everyone else has struggled in New Zealand!

12 series wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats!

 

[Athlai]

New Zealands ODI home record since Feb 2001 - Feb 2009

Played 71 - Won 43 Lost 24 Tie 1 n/r 3

Won V Pakistan 3-2
Won V England 3-2
Won v India 5-2
Won V Pakistan 4-1
Won V S.A 5-1
Won V S.L 1-0
Lost v Aus 0-5
Lost v Aus 1-2
Won v S.L 3-1
Won v W.I 4-1
Drew v S.L 2-2
won V Aus 3-0
Won V Bang 3-0
Won v Eng 3-1
Won v W.I 2-1

Apart from Australia! Everyone else has struggled in New Zealand!

12 series wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats!

And Australia are still only leading 7-4

 

[Howsie]

1.Tim McIntosh
2.Martin Guptill
3.Daniel Flynn
4.Ross Taylor
5.Jesse Ryder
6.Jacob Oram/Grant Elliot
7.Brendon McCullum
8.Daniel Vettori
9.Tim Southee
10.Shane Bond
11.Iain O'Brien

 

[Athlai]

Excellent middle order in:

Flynn
Taylor
Ryder

Enormous talent and potential there.

A solid attack in:
O'Brien
Mills
Vettori
Oram
Southee/Patel/Martin

The only real weak point is the openers which it has been for so long. High hopes for Guptill but to expect so much from him so soon is a bit worrisome. Maybe McIntosh can surprise me though, I'd take an average of 35 from the openers over the series any day of the weak.

 

[Prince EWS]

Is Oram actually going to play this series? He's getting really frustrating. At least with someone like Watson he's actually fit when he plays. Watto will get a long-term injury, recover, then gets another long term injury, recover etc etc. Oram doesn't seem to ever really recover and is hence a game-to-game proposition; this is far more disruptive in general IMO.

 

[Athlai]

Is Oram actually going to play this series? He's getting really frustrating. At least with someone like Watson he's actually fit when he plays. Watto will get a long-term injury, recover, then gets another long term injury, recover etc etc. Oram doesn't seem to ever really recover and is hence a game-to-game proposition; this is far more disruptive in general IMO.

Guy does his best to recover and thats all we can ask from him.

 

[Prince EWS]

Haha yeah don't get me wrong; I wasn't putting on my he-man hat and calling him soft or anything. I just don't really know if he's worth it. As I said, at least you get periods with Watson where he's fit and then long spurts where he's out; you can manage that. You just never really know with Oram though. I'd be more inclined to give Franklin a go at this point until Oram can prove his consistent fitness in domestic cricket.

 

[Athlai]

Haha yeah don't get me wrong; I wasn't putting on my he-man hat and calling him soft or anything. I just don't really know if he's worth it. As I said, at least you get little spurts with Watson where he's fit and then long spurts where he's out; you can manage that. You just never really know with Oram though. I'd be more inclined to give Franklin a go at this point until Oram can prove his consistent fitness in domestic cricket.

The problem with that is Franklin isn't 100% yet either.

 

[Prince EWS]

The problem with that is Franklin isn't 100% yet either.

Yeah, indeed, but it's not like he's going to break down. His lack of fitness is more a rhythm thing that's effecting his bowling; Oram's lack of fitness regularly effects his ability to get on the field (and stay on it when he actually does play) which is a far bigger problem.

Franklin will warm to the task. My only concern about playing him is that he'll develop a whole new legion of 'haters' if he's still down on bowling rhythm and he already gets a ridiculously unfair amount of criticism for his Test bowling. You really shouldn't be selecting a team based on the fear of forum backlash though so I've picked him.

 

[Athlai]

Yeah, indeed, but it's not like he's going to break down. His lack of fitness is more a rhythm thing that's effecting his bowling; Oram's lack of fitness regularly effects his ability to get on the field (and stay on it when he actually does play) which is a far bigger problem.

Franklin will warm to the task. My only concern about playing him is that he'll develop a whole new legion of 'haters' if he's still down on bowling rhythm and he already gets a ridiculously unfair amount of criticism for his Test bowling. You really shouldn't be selecting a team based on the fear of forum backlash though so I've picked him.

I'm a massive fan of Franklin but currently he's still very undercooked. Against the West Indies he only bowled one top spell and it was near the end of the final match. I'd want him to be bowling as well as he can before we select him again.