Should Matthew Hayden retire?

[Rant0r]

I'd say it's his choice, to echo Sanz & uppercut. If he feels he still has something to offer (and I suspect a man of his obvious ego would) it's his right to go on, even if popular opinion suggests he's on the downward slide.

If he isn't performing tho the selectors should have the balls to get rid, regardless of what has gone before. A test spot should never be a sinecure.

As an aside I don't really buy the "retire or be dropped" option as a public fig-leaf either. Does anyone really think, say, Lara or SR Waugh would've gone when they if they weren't being leaned on?

he'll be given the chance to go, weather we like it or not, and he will still make some runs, even if he isn't the player of 2 years ago

 

[Rant0r]

Have they?

yes

 

[Precambrian]

cricket australia and the cricket academy is a government funded organisation (taxpayers dollars), supplemented by the gate takings (general public dollars) , advertising revenue(to the general public) and merchandise (sold to the fans... who i believe, are the general public)

Crap logic. By that Bill Gates is my employee.

 

[Rant0r]

Crap logic. By that Bill Gates is my employee.

cricket is still a government funded, most sport is.

when they want a new stadium, they ask the state government to fund it.

when bill gates wants a new multi storey for his empire, he builds it.

and yes i know hayden didn't go through the cricket academy, but most of them do, AIS is heavily funded, but not asked to be paid back like the university post paid debt.

anyway, the stoning him at a public march remark was only tongue in cheek.

 

[Richard]

yes

Who are they then?

 

[Rant0r]

Who are they then?

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off the top of my head, border, boon, jones, steve waugh, mark waugh, taylor, healy

 

[tooextracool]

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off the top of my head, border, boon, jones, steve waugh, mark waugh, taylor, healy

Out of those listed, only Jones had reason to be aggrieved for having been pushed as the rest of them had been on the fringes of being dropped for a while and were in the side based solely on reputation. Jones was 31 at the time, so his situation not really comparable to Hayden's.

 

[Rant0r]

Out of those listed, only Jones had reason to be aggrieved for having been pushed as the rest of them had been on the fringes of being dropped for a while and were in the side based solely on reputation. Jones was 31 at the time, so his situation not really comparable to Hayden's.

i spose, i still remember him coming off a series where he was the leading runscorer then being dropped forever in favour of a debutant damien martyn and mark waugh who'd just come off 4 ducks in a row, no there's no **** sucking in australian selection policy.

of course no one argues because of the end result, but hardly justice.

 

[Craig]

Not again !!! So we get to decide If Hayden should retire or not ?

When I said 'we' , I mean Cricket fans here on CW and beyond. How would you like others to be talking about your retirement ?

Hayden's retirement should be his decision, If his performance drops, he should be dropped but the retirement is his decision.

I'm asking a legitimate question. If you don't like it, then nobody is forcing you to post in it.

 

[tooextracool]

i spose, i still remember him coming off a series where he was the leading runscorer then being dropped forever in favour of a debutant damien martyn and mark waugh who'd just come off 4 ducks in a row, no there's no **** sucking in australian selection policy.

of course no one argues because of the end result, but hardly justice.

Never been a fan of the Australian selection policy tbh, so i agree with your point. Jones like Bevan thereafter really got a raw deal and its often forgotten because of the caliber of players that ended up replacing them.

 

[Rant0r]

jamie cox, jamie siddons (might be something in a name) lehmann to an extent, martin love, jimmy maher, hodge, veletta, elliott to an extent.

i know darren berry was particularly aggrieved at selection policy, but i put darren berry in the hodge class of 'do we really want this dickhead in the dressing room' group, plus he wasn't as good as he thought he was, nielsen was probably more unlucky having played australian under 19's.

 

[Richard]

off the top of my head, border, boon, jones, steve waugh, mark waugh, taylor, healy

OK, let's go through those one by one:
Border UIMM had no push at all, seems odd if he did. Nonetheless, his performances had been down against top attacks (WI and SA) in the final phase of his career even though they were as good as ever against the rest.
Boon, although he scored 188 in his last 3 innings, had averaged less than 23 in his previous 25. There is no way he was performing.
Jones, although 31 years old, had done next to nothing of note between 1990/91 and 1992 when he was dropped. He made two big scores in dead games (a speciality of his) and also made a match double of 77 and 100* where he was apparently missed about 5 times. While replacing him with Stephen Waugh wasn't the wisest idea just before a massive series against West Indies, Jones could hardly moan too much at the axe.
Stephen Waugh was patently obviously not the batsman he'd once been. Against Test-class teams Waugh averaged less than 38 in his last 25 Tests.
Mark Waugh, well, he was probably the second-worst performed of the lot. He barely averaged 30 in his last 12 Tests.
Taylor retired of his own volition UIMM, after a very poor final series.
Healy, well, jeesh, he was comfortably the worst. He averaged 15.20 in his last 13 Tests, and this would've been barely out of single-figures but for England dropping two simple catches.

Australian selectors may have been poor in the last 20 years, but none of the above were among any serious errors.

 

[gwo]

Every innings Hayden plays I always hope he's out as cheaply as possible.

It seems like every post you make on these forums gets ****tier and ****ter. **** your mind is rotted with anti-Hayden sentiment and petty wishes like this won't prove your point. Because people will argue (quite ironically) that if his late career is ****house...that that those stats should be "filtered" so we get a better picture of his dominance in this period. Of course, you will stand on your high pedestal and convieniently forget that this is what you do with all your favourite players and are such a selective and vindictive PRICK .

 

[Richard]

It seems like every post you make on these forums gets ****tier and ****ter. **** your mind is rotted with anti-Hayden sentiment and petty wishes like this won't prove your point. Because people will argue (quite ironically) that if his late career is ****house...that that those stats should be "filtered" so we get a better picture of his dominance in this period. Of course, you will stand on your high pedestal and convieniently forget that this is what you do with all your favourite players and are such a selective and vindictive PRICK .

Haha, I could reply to the rubbish in that post, but I won't, I CBA. I'm just going to sit and wait for you to get the official warning that post deserves.

 

[Rant0r]

OK, let's go through those one by one:
Border UIMM had no push at all, seems odd if he did. Nonetheless, his performances had been down against top attacks (WI and SA) in the final phase of his career even though they were as good as ever against the rest.
Boon, although he scored 188 in his last 3 innings, had averaged less than 23 in his previous 25. There is no way he was performing.
Jones, although 31 years old, had done next to nothing of note between 1990/91 and 1992 when he was dropped. He made two big scores in dead games (a speciality of his) and also made a match double of 77 and 100* where he was apparently missed about 5 times. While replacing him with Stephen Waugh wasn't the wisest idea just before a massive series against West Indies, Jones could hardly moan too much at the axe.
Stephen Waugh was patently obviously not the batsman he'd once been. Against Test-class teams Waugh averaged less than 38 in his last 25 Tests.
Mark Waugh, well, he was probably the second-worst performed of the lot. He barely averaged 30 in his last 12 Tests.
Taylor retired of his own volition UIMM, after a very poor final series.
Healy, well, jeesh, he was comfortably the worst. He averaged 15.20 in his last 13 Tests, and this would've been barely out of single-figures but for England dropping two simple catches.

Australian selectors may have been poor in the last 20 years, but none of the above were among any serious errors.

but they did get the tap on the shoulder, border was well reported at the time as he wanted to go round for another 2 years for instance, and healy wanted to farewell at home. Mark Waugh had no intention of retiring.

yes they were in decline, but they had to get a little 'encouragement'

 

[Rant0r]

It seems like every post you make on these forums gets ****tier and ****ter. **** your mind is rotted with anti-Hayden sentiment and petty wishes like this won't prove your point. Because people will argue (quite ironically) that if his late career is ****house...that that those stats should be "filtered" so we get a better picture of his dominance in this period. Of course, you will stand on your high pedestal and convieniently forget that this is what you do with all your favourite players and are such a selective and vindictive PRICK .

i'm a bit of a hayden hater myself, there's nothing i like about the guy personally, and his average flatters him for flat pitches and **** bowlers of his era, ponting is far his superior

 

[James90]

**** off. The amount of time he's been written off and come back to destroy bowling attacks once more (see India 2001, Australian summer 05-06 and WC 2007)

Let him keep the place warm for Hughes to take over after next year's Ashes.

 

[Rant0r]

yes he has, but i said his average is far more flattering than his talent due to the norm of flat pitches and the dearth of quality bowlers, he was awesome in '01, very few other innings i sit and think 'gee that was a good knock' and i don't like ponting either yet i sit back and marvel at how well he adapts to conditions and makes hard runs.

 

[Mister Wright]

Hayden should come out and say that he'll retire after the Ashes. Will be hard to drop him then knowing he's going to leave the game soon.

 

[PhoenixFire]

It seems like every post you make on these forums gets ****tier and ****ter. **** your mind is rotted with anti-Hayden sentiment and petty wishes like this won't prove your point. Because people will argue (quite ironically) that if his late career is ****house...that that those stats should be "filtered" so we get a better picture of his dominance in this period. Of course, you will stand on your high pedestal and convieniently forget that this is what you do with all your favourite players and are such a selective and vindictive PRICK .

Pull your head in and cut out all the insults. Official warning.