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I dont think either team from the first test will be changed unless there are injuries

There is no way that Bollinger will replace Clark and Kumble hasnt played 100+ tests without being tough enough to ride out a bad test or two

 

[silentstriker]

I dont think either team from the first test will be changed unless there are injuries

There is no way that Bollinger will replace Clark and Kumble hasnt played 100+ tests without being tough enough to ride out a bad test or two

I think the question is more about his shoulder rather than form.

 

[pup11]

'Happy with the way I bowled' - White

I also admit Whitey exceeded the exceptions of every Aussie fan with way he bowled and the kind of control he showed during the first test, but tbh i still can only see him at best doing a decent holding job, as he still has got to turn the ball a little bit to trouble top class Indian batsmen, but what i saw of him in the first test clearly displays that if White constantly works on his bowling and starts bowling more for Victoria than he has a chance of developing his bowling, i think White needs to talk with someone like Kumble and pick his brains and take some tips from him during this tour, i think something like this would do him a lot more good rather than wasting time with Terry Jenner.

I don't see Aussies making any changes to the team that played in the first test, only possible change might be Bollinger coming in for Clark in case he's not fit to play.

 

[Speersy]

My suggestions

India

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly
*Dhoni
Chawla(4)
Harbajan(3)
Zaheer Kan(2)
Ishant Sharma(1)

Ganguly and Sehwag to share 5th bowler duties

Australia

Hayden
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
Watson(4)
Haddin
White(5)
Lee(1)
Johnson(2)
Bollinger/Clark(3)

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Yes this will happen if Kumble and Clark are injured.
There is just now way you can drop those guys.

All I hope is that one team can take 20 wickets. It may not be a case of not having a good enough attack. Its just the fact that these batting line ups are awesome, it will be annoying if Australia win the toss again. I want to see what blokes like Watto and White have. I am prepared to lose a series, if they are allowed freedom. and play some good cricket.

 

[Uppercut]

'Happy with the way I bowled' - White

I also admit Whitey exceeded the exceptions of every Aussie fan with way he bowled and the kind of control he showed during the first test, but tbh i still can only see him at best doing a decent holding job, as he still has got to turn the ball a little bit to trouble top class Indian batsmen, but what i saw of him in the first test clearly displays that if White constantly works on his bowling and starts bowling more for Victoria than he has a chance of developing his bowling, i think White needs to talk with someone like Kumble and pick his brains and take some tips from him during this tour, i think something like this would do him a lot more good rather than wasting time with Terry Jenner.

I don't see Aussies making any changes to the team that played in the first test, only possible change might be Bollinger coming in for Clark in case he's not fit to play.

Don't really think it's fair to make too much judgement on White from this particular test, remember that two excellent spinners, playing against a team less dominant against turn, also utterly failed for the entire duration of the match on this pitch. Shouldn't have been in the team, but i don't think this test changes anything.

Also, time spent improving leg-spin with Terry Jenner is not "wasting time".

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

pup you're a ****ing joke. 5 days ago you were absolutely pasting the guy every 5 minutes.

 

[Woodster]

Cameron White with his action will never be a big leg-spinner of the ball. His arm comes over very straight, much like Kumble, thus bowling with more top spin than side spin. There is no reason, however, he cannot really work on his googly, which should be pretty hard to pick with his action and he may get bigger turn from that.

Thought his accuracy was pretty good in the first Test, and he was helped by the cover on both sides of the wicket set by by Ponting, so his loose deliveries would only be pushed for a single or two, rather than a boundary. So he was allowed to settle in in this Test.

He contained the Indians to a degree, and the wicket of Tendulkar must have been a huge bonus. He did a steady job and India may look to be a little more proactive against him in Mohali.

 

[NZTailender]

Seriously speaking White hasn't even proven himself with the bat or even with the ball in Odi cricket so how can Shipperd come up with such a ridiculous statement, i know there is bias in his comments being the Victorian coach, but even in that case he would have been better off suggesting the name of somebody like David Hussey rather than White.

I really don't buy into this one wrist spinner and one finger spinner deal, as far i am concerned one should pick their best side, and just picking Krejza because he is a finger-spinner is dire, yeah if your finger-spinner is effective then its always good to have one in sub-continental conditions, but otherwise its just dire to have finger-spinner in the squad for just the sake of having one, which is pretty much the case with Krejza' selection.

As i said before White is all hype no substance so far at international level, we all know he can play aggressively but in Odi cricket we haven't seen him do anything substantial neither with the bat or ball, and his domestic form last season wasn't great either, so all in all to even mention White' name as a possible member of the test squad is dire, if Shippherd really had to take a Victorian name as possible replacement to Symonds then he could have named David Hussey, that would still have been a bit more easier to digest.

WTF? I mean why can't they just pick Casson, or if they wanted a batsman who could bowl a bit then they could have gone in with David Hussey who unlike White has had two very good last FC seasons with the bat, White has hardly done anything substantial to deserve a call-up to the test side, awful decision on the part of the selectors to pick White, but having said that i still expect him to bowl better than Krezja.

Casson though still would have been my choice, the guy is a handy lower order batsman and as lowly as his bowling might be rated, he is still Australia' next best spin option after McGain.

I think the first problem in playing an all pace attack is that over-rate would go down terribly, and there is a very real chance of the fast bowlers breaking down with that sort of workload in testing conditions like the one's they are gonna encounter in India, Clarke or Katich can only be seen as partnership breakers at best of times, but to expect them to bowl longish spells and keep things tight is pretty unrealistic imo.

You need a spinner in sub-continental conditions, but its just Australia's luck that their spin options are limited to dire spinners like Krejza and White.

Tbh, i would even play a jet lagged White over Krejza, White's bowling is crap and his batting too won't set the world on fire batting as low as 8, but he is a much better choice on any given day when compared to Krejza.

Where are the part-timers mate, they haven't looked keen on bowling Katich and as for Clarke one should use him cautiously, as he has a history of back problems and last thing Australia want is to lose their best player of spin by loading him with a considerable bowling workload and wearing him out, White is **** with the ball but even if he fails with the ball, which he most likely would, then still atleast one can expect a few runs from him.

On Indian tracks apart from maybe Mohali, playing four seamers is just not on, we saw Australia use four seamers in the practice game and they were virtually stuffed bowling all those overs.

Whichever way that selection goes, one thing is for sure that a dire and undeserving player would get to wear the baggy green tomorrow.

pup you're a ****ing joke. 5 days ago you were absolutely pasting the guy every 5 minutes.

 

[ret]

How are the TV channels in India analyzing the B'lore test and the upcoming Mohali Test?

 

[pup11]

pup you're a ****ing joke. 5 days ago you were absolutely pasting the guy every 5 minutes.

Look Smithy i am still not in favour of White being anywhere near the Aussie test side, and the kind of explanation the selectors gave for his selection was dire to say the least, anyways since he has now been picked to play for Australia, i hope he does well, i don't wish ill for him just so he gets pasted all around the park, and i can say hey "i was this was going to happen from the beginning",

Tbh i was expecting White to be bowling long-hops, full-tosses, and every possible dire ball you can expect from a bowler to bowl, but White hardly did anything to embarrass himself at this level, his control was also decent (and that's probably because he has been bowling a lot more off late), but even after his effort i the first test with the ball, i still see him having a tough time of it with the ball for the rest of the series and if he bowls with similar control he showed in the first test then he might just do a hodling job, nothing more nothing less, but this just goes onto show that hadn't he neglected his bowling the way he did after taking up captaincy at Victoria, then probably by now he could have developed into decent bowler...

 

[honestbharani]

I do have to agree with someone here who said this test didn't show us anything we already didn't know.


I expected Ponting and Hussey to do well and they did. Hayden and Clarke were kinda due for failures in India in a way and Watson and White were decent enough with the ball and bat. Given how good the other 9 are in that Aussie line up, I think both of them are decent additions to the side, esp. given that the other options for those places (esp. the specialists) won't add as much as these two do to the side...


Ponting's captaincy was very good at times but it swung to very bad too on a number of occassions. Seriously, what's with posting the fielder on the boundary every time someone hits a boundary in that area? That even happened for Harbhajan and Zaheer. His placing of his catching men was awesome and showed great tactical nous, definitely more than what I would have given him credit for at the start of this test but honestly, him running off every time a batsman hit the boundary (figuratively speaking) does not speak of a confident captain and a confident team..


Having said that, India have their own pandora's box of problems. The middle order are not making big runs as they used to and quite frankly, the days of 40s and 50s cutting it at test level are long gone... Unless you are playing on an extremely bowler friendly surface, it is just not good enough. I am not saying the youngsters will do better but at least they are worth a shot??? And someone in commentary mentioned about Ganguly averaging 40 with the bat but costing abt 15 runs per innings in the field. I thought it was a great comment.. Surely an average of 30 with a contribution of 5 more runs on the field can be considered better????


And I do think Kumble should step back now.. He has not looked threatening for a very long time as a spinner, since that last test against Pakistan and it is a real sorry state when Harbhajan is outbowling him, and esp. given that Bhajji is hardly in peak form... I wish he pulls out and we play either Mishra or Munaf at Mohali. Ideally I would like 5 bowlers but Dhoni's batting form and the lack of ability of our bowlers with the bat pours water on those ideas....


And lastly, it is all very well to wind up the Aussies a la Zaheer but I just hope he is good enough to back it up on the field again and again..... Nothing wrong with the tactics and in fact, some of his comments were actually true but no point in spicing these things up if you are not going to be good enough to walk the walk...



All in all, India are lucky to get away with a draw having played pretty poorly and the Aussies must feel they have squandered an opportunity but one thing about the Aussie team is it is always stupid to write them off. India will need to show the same sort of intent and fighting spirit and also show much better cricket if they want to win this series. Can't depend on the Aussies dropping their game.. If we go in expecting that, we will lose. But if we go in raising our own bar, we should be able to win this series.

 

[pup11]

Originally Posted by pup11
Seriously speaking White hasn't even proven himself with the bat or even with the ball in Odi cricket so how can Shipperd come up with such a ridiculous statement, i know there is bias in his comments being the Victorian coach, but even in that case he would have been better off suggesting the name of somebody like David Hussey rather than White.


Originally Posted by pup11
I really don't buy into this one wrist spinner and one finger spinner deal, as far i am concerned one should pick their best side, and just picking Krejza because he is a finger-spinner is dire, yeah if your finger-spinner is effective then its always good to have one in sub-continental conditions, but otherwise its just dire to have finger-spinner in the squad for just the sake of having one, which is pretty much the case with Krejza' selection.

As i said before White is all hype no substance so far at international level, we all know he can play aggressively but in Odi cricket we haven't seen him do anything substantial neither with the bat or ball, and his domestic form last season wasn't great either, so all in all to even mention White' name as a possible member of the test squad is dire, if Shippherd really had to take a Victorian name as possible replacement to Symonds then he could have named David Hussey, that would still have been a bit more easier to digest.


Originally Posted by pup11
WTF? I mean why can't they just pick Casson, or if they wanted a batsman who could bowl a bit then they could have gone in with David Hussey who unlike White has had two very good last FC seasons with the bat, White has hardly done anything substantial to deserve a call-up to the test side, awful decision on the part of the selectors to pick White, but having said that i still expect him to bowl better than Krezja.

Casson though still would have been my choice, the guy is a handy lower order batsman and as lowly as his bowling might be rated, he is still Australia' next best spin option after McGain.


Originally Posted by pup11
I think the first problem in playing an all pace attack is that over-rate would go down terribly, and there is a very real chance of the fast bowlers breaking down with that sort of workload in testing conditions like the one's they are gonna encounter in India, Clarke or Katich can only be seen as partnership breakers at best of times, but to expect them to bowl longish spells and keep things tight is pretty unrealistic imo.

You need a spinner in sub-continental conditions, but its just Australia's luck that their spin options are limited to dire spinners like Krejza and White.


Originally Posted by pup11
Tbh, i would even play a jet lagged White over Krejza, White's bowling is crap and his batting too won't set the world on fire batting as low as 8, but he is a much better choice on any given day when compared to Krejza.


Originally Posted by pup11
Where are the part-timers mate, they haven't looked keen on bowling Katich and as for Clarke one should use him cautiously, as he has a history of back problems and last thing Australia want is to lose their best player of spin by loading him with a considerable bowling workload and wearing him out, White is **** with the ball but even if he fails with the ball, which he most likely would, then still atleast one can expect a few runs from him.

On Indian tracks apart from maybe Mohali, playing four seamers is just not on, we saw Australia use four seamers in the practice game and they were virtually stuffed bowling all those overs.


Originally Posted by pup11
Whichever way that selection goes, one thing is for sure that a dire and undeserving player would get to wear the baggy green tomorrow

As i already mentioned my views regarding White's selection are still the same and haven't changed a bit, but since he is in the side i wish him all the luck now, but when i am saying he bowled better than what i expected, even with ordinary bowling figures of 1-88 in the match for him, it just goes onto show how badly i expected him to fare with the ball in the first place.

 

[Furball]

If White was capable of spinning the ball more than an inch he'd be a very good bowler. His control was excellent in the spells I watched, he was landing the ball in the correct areas more often than not.

 

[howardj]

If White was capable of spinning the ball more than an inch he'd be a very good bowler. His control was excellent in the spells I watched, he was landing the ball in the correct areas more often than not.

Yeah, puzzling why Ponting has given him such big wraps...maybe it's just to keep his confidence up.

Not to say he can't improve though.

 

[archie mac]

If White was capable of spinning the ball more than an inch he'd be a very good bowler. His control was excellent in the spells I watched, he was landing the ball in the correct areas more often than not.

Kumble is not a big spinner of the ball, but he has done OK

Maybe we should forget about White needing to be a big spinner like Stuart Mac and Warney, and model himself more on the Indian champ?

White has a good top spinner and a decent googly, and bowls a good length which is three out of five not too bad

 

[shaun_williams]

A tough Series for both of them

Australia will definitely face many problems because on the bowling side, Lee, Clark and Johnson have no experience in front of India for test matches. Ponting and Hayden also recovered from serious injury. So now its time to watch great excitement.

Williams

 

[Top_Cat]

Yeah, puzzling why Ponting has given him such big wraps...maybe it's just to keep his confidence up.

Not to say he can't improve though.

Ponting, for all his faults, is a scary judge of talent and knows how to handle big egos. I think he reckons the talents of guys like Johnson, White, etc. aren't fully represented by their FC records and with the right encouragement and opportunities will, at least, be serviceable international cricketers if not world-beaters (in the case of Symonds, who he famously pushed for). After all, he's a 'punter', right?

For all the crap people give White *hand up*, he at least managed to not look overawed by the occasion when picked and took a wicket. That was more than I thought he'd do. It's a gamble picking him but we'll see if Ponting's bet pays because he's been right on the money previously.

 

[Top_Cat]

Kumble is not a big spinner of the ball, but he has done OK

Maybe we should forget about White needing to be a big spinner like Stuart Mac and Warney, and model himself more on the Indian champ?

White has a good top spinner and a decent googly, and bowls a good length which is three out of five not too bad

Hey, Warnie wore some criticism in the early days for lack of variation. Didn't seem to hurt him much....

 

[archie mac]

Hey, Warnie wore some criticism in the early days for lack of variation. Didn't seem to hurt him much....

True, but that leggie was something special

 

[Top_Cat]

True, but that leggie was something special

True but it's a myth (not directed at you, by the way) he was an uncoached genius who played by no-ones rules, not even his own. Warnie owes a lot to guys like Jenner and myriad of others who've helped him along the way.