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Do you want to see the Aussies lose the series in India ?

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
I'm actually more interested in seeing Australia win this series than I usually would be, just because at this point, it's so clearly against the odds. I still feel like it's entirely possible, but everything is in India's favour at this point, and a drawn series would be a pretty good result for Australia. A win would be a truly remarkable achievement.

Above all though, looking forward to a good contest.
 

JackPot

U19 12th Man
If India wins the series by a margin of 2 matches, then they can crawl up into the second spot on ICC test rankings
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I'm actually more interested in seeing Australia win this series than I usually would be, just because at this point, it's so clearly against the odds. I still feel like it's entirely possible, but everything is in India's favour at this point, and a drawn series would be a pretty good result for Australia. A win would be a truly remarkable achievement.

Above all though, looking forward to a good contest.
funny you should say that because for me, all along Australia have been the favourites for this series.. Inspite of the dire spinning options, they are still obviously the better side, for me...
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Australia have been better than most the last 20 years because they've had better players. Their selectors have still made any number of basic errors. A few pertaining purely to Tests (as with other countries, the ODI list is too long to even start on) in the last decade or so:
Jaques apparantly being about to be dropped after averaging 50.37 in his last 16 innings';
Beau Casson and Jason Krejza getting anywhere near Test squads never mind teams (if there is just 1 spinner of First-Class standard in the country, only 1 spinner should even be in Test contention);
Daniel Cullen playing for Australia, even if it was only against Bangladesh;
The whole Damien Martyn affair in 2005/06 (dropped when he shouldn't have been, recalled when he shouldn't have been);
Tait touring England in 2005 to gain experience and ending-up in the Test team when patently not good enough;
Brad Hodge's treatment;
Hauritz playing ahead of MacGill in India in 2004/05;
Watson replacing Lehmann in 2004/05 (Watson's subsequent selection in 2005/06 was fair enough);
Symonds' unjustifiable preference to Katich in 2003/04;
Bracken, Williams and Lee playing ahead of Kasprowicz at home in 2003/04;
Martin Love scoring a century in his last Test innings in 2003 and never playing again;
Gavin Robertson and Peter McIntyre playing Test cricket at all;
Adam Dale and Paul Wilson being preferred to Damien Fleming in 1997/98;
Simon Cook playing Test cricket when he was barely able to get into his state team;
Brendon Julien playing Test cricket at all.

Australia's selectors may have got some basic things right - but then again so has any set of selectors, even Pakistan's. For a side that has had such a wealth of quality in recent years, some of the selectorial errors have been very poor indeed.
Almost every case you've mentioned has only happened due to an injury..

Martin Love scoring a century in his last Test innings in 2003 and never playing again; It was against Bangladesh didn't think that effort would have been worth much in your eyes.

Brendon Julien playing Test cricket at all.
BJ did well in the Windies.

Bracken, Williams and Lee playing ahead of Kasprowicz at home in 2003/04
Bracken and Lee had good cases, Lee was proven correct..
 

SirBloody Idiot

Cricketer Of The Year
I'll bite on a few.

Jaques apparantly being about to be dropped after averaging 50.37 in his last 16 innings
They quite obviously want the extra option of Watson as a bowler, and Katich is hardly letting them down at the top of the order (and has come off a record breaking season). Hardly a bad selection.

Beau Casson and Jason Krejza getting anywhere near Test squads never mind teams (if there is just 1 spinner of First-Class standard in the country, only 1 spinner should even be in Test contention);
Well Krezja hasn't played test cricket yet so I dunno what you are getting at. Casson's selection was somewhat justified - was OK with the ball last season, and could be classified as an all-rounder. White is a worse selection.

Tait touring England in 2005 to gain experience and ending-up in the Test team when patently not good enough
Huh? He'd just come off a season of domestic cricket where he took 65 wickets at 20 with half of his games on Adelaide Oval. Do you just disregard first class form?

Brad Hodge's treatment
Just a case of bad luck IMO. Hardly bad selection policies when a very good batsman can't get into the side when he hits form whilst the incumbents are in good form.

Hauritz playing ahead of MacGill in India in 2004/05
I don't have a problem with it. In recent years they have shown that they want to pick a wrist and finger spinner to tour India. What was to suggest that MacGill would have any success if Warne couldn't?

Symonds' unjustifiable preference to Katich in 2003/04
Hardly. He had a fantastic one day series and they thought it a pretty decent risk to give him a go. I didn't disagree with it at the time, though it didn't turn out well (but you can't expect every selection to work).

Martin Love scoring a century in his last Test innings in 2003 and never playing again
Australia's next test was three months later and he was replaced by Martyn. I don't see how that is a poor selection - Love made a ton in an innings of 556 against Bangladesh and has since been unable to hit form when a spot opened up. Bad luck - yes. Poor selection - no.

Yeah Australia have made some ordinary decisions, but a hell of a lot less than any other test team going around. Most of those you've listed aren't even bad selections.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Nothing you could ever come up with is as bad as selecting Muburak and then selecting him over and over again.
 

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Nah, SBI, the decision to select Simon over Katich back then was an absolute shocker.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Almost every case you've mentioned has only happened due to an injury..
Nonetheless there've been better-qualified candidates, often, than those selected.
Martin Love scoring a century in his last Test innings in 2003 and never playing again; It was against Bangladesh didn't think that effort would have been worth much in your eyes.
It's not, but it was still an innings for a full Australia team. How he was simply disregarded immediately is beyond me.
Brendon Julien playing Test cricket at all.
BJ did well in the Windies.
Hardly. He was woeful. One of the worst players ever to play for Australia, possibly the worst in my lifetime for mine.
Bracken, Williams and Lee playing ahead of Kasprowicz at home in 2003/04
Bracken and Lee had good cases, Lee was proven correct..
He was? The 6 wickets at 80 or whatever it was was an outstanding return was it?

Neither he nor Bracken had the slightest case for selection over Kasprowicz, Kasprowicz's form where it counts (ie, in domestic FC cricket) was far better than either. They were basically picked on ODI form, which is always a bad idea.
I'll bite on a few.

They quite obviously want the extra option of Watson as a bowler, and Katich is hardly letting them down at the top of the order (and has come off a record breaking season). Hardly a bad selection.
So play all three. Play Jaques as opener, and Katich and Watson as middle-order batsmen to bowl. And don't waste a place on a nothing spinner.
Well Krezja hasn't played test cricket yet so I dunno what you are getting at. Casson's selection was somewhat justified - was OK with the ball last season, and could be classified as an all-rounder. White is a worse selection.
Krejza has come damn close to playing, even if he doesn't (which seems pretty unlikely). Neither he nor Casson should've come near Test squads, their cases were flimsy at best. If a specialist spinner had to play, it should've been McGain, else no-one.
Huh? He'd just come off a season of domestic cricket where he took 65 wickets at 20 with half of his games on Adelaide Oval. Do you just disregard first class form?
No, you just don't jump straight in after 1 good season.
Just a case of bad luck IMO. Hardly bad selection policies when a very good batsman can't get into the side when he hits form whilst the incumbents are in good form.
He could get in the side though - and averaged 60 and was then dropped! For someone who'd averaged 22 in the domestic FC comp or something like that.
I don't have a problem with it. In recent years they have shown that they want to pick a wrist and finger spinner to tour India. What was to suggest that MacGill would have any success if Warne couldn't?
Warne had decent success in 2 out of the 3 Tests he played on that tour, and would almost certainly have caused mayhem on the pitch Hauritz ended-up playing on. And if Warne couldn't have had success, how on Earth could anyone have thought Hauritz would? :blink:

Picking wrist and fingerspin, when you have a wristspinner who is infinitely better than any fingerspinner, is pure and simple bad selection.
Hardly. He had a fantastic one day series and they thought it a pretty decent risk to give him a go. I didn't disagree with it at the time, though it didn't turn out well (but you can't expect every selection to work).
So you'd pick someone for Test cricket because they'd had a good ODI series ahead of someone who'd scored 125* and 80-odd in their most recent Test?

No, sorry, woeful decision. Nothing else.
Australia's next test was three months later and he was replaced by Martyn. I don't see how that is a poor selection - Love made a ton in an innings of 556 against Bangladesh and has since been unable to hit form when a spot opened up. Bad luck - yes. Poor selection - no.
It's not like his form in subsequent seasons was so woeful that that credit which should have been in the bank should be completely disregarded.
Yeah Australia have made some ordinary decisions, but a hell of a lot less than any other test team going around. Most of those you've listed aren't even bad selections.
They've made a hell of a lot less than other teams because not even the biggest dunderheads could drop the likes of Mark Taylor, David Boon, Shane Warne etc. More common problems present more chances for mistakes to be made.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Nothing you could ever come up with is as bad as selecting Muburak and then selecting him over and over again.
Well of course not (except maybe a few Pakistani ones) but we all know that that's basically only done because of his father's influence, don't we?
 

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Hardly. He was woeful. One of the worst players ever to play for Australia, possibly the worst in my lifetime for mine.
BJ did a job in the WI. He was the best bowler in the first innings of the first Test and was solid throughout the rest of the series. When he was on song, was one of he few genuinely quick swing bowlers in the country at the time.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
BJ did a job in the WI. He was the best bowler in the first innings of the first Test and was solid throughout the rest of the series. When he was on song, was one of he few genuinely quick swing bowlers in the country at the time.
Yeah exactly from Cricinfo:

Similarly, his consistency and dependability with the ball on Australia's history making tour of the Caribbean in early 1995 were viewed by many as constituting suitable testament to his talent. Even his brave effort in lasting more than two hours at the crease in arduous circumstances to save a floundering Australia from defeat in the 1993 Trent Bridge Test is still very fondly remembered by some

John Polack > Richard in this discussion.
 

iamdavid

International Debutant
Tait touring England in 2005 to gain experience and ending-up in the Test team when patently not good enough;.
Thing is his 2004/05 season for South Australia wasnt merely a good one, but an outstanding one, and he had been on the radar as a 'player to watch' for some time by this point.
He was very raw however he clearly demonstrated during that season that he had something no other bowler on the domestic scene possesed, in his raw pace and striking ability.

McGrath, Warne, Steve Waugh, Healy, Michael Slater...were all picked for test cricket with far less convincing FC numbers and experience under their belts than Tait when he toured England in 2005.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
And apart from Slater (who TBH I've never really looked at) not surprisingly the whole lot of them struggled initially and would've been better to have been left-out for a bit longer.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
BJ did a job in the WI. He was the best bowler in the first innings of the first Test and was solid throughout the rest of the series. When he was on song, was one of he few genuinely quick swing bowlers in the country at the time.
Yet he bowled more no-balls than a truck and was very often all over the place.

Everyone will have their moments if given the chance, but Julien was most fortunate to play for Australia at all. In that West Indies tour, FOR INSTANCE, McDermott was of course missing. And I'm pretty sure he played ahead of the likes of Paul Reiffel in 1 or 2 occasions, which is obviously plain madness as Reiffel was clearly far superior.

Seem to remember him playing when about 5 or 6 superior bowlers were injured at one point too, which is fortunate TSTL.
 

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Yet he bowled more no-balls than a truck and was very often all over the place.

Everyone will have their moments if given the chance, but Julien was most fortunate to play for Australia at all. In that West Indies tour, FOR INSTANCE, McDermott was of course missing. And I'm pretty sure he played ahead of the likes of Paul Reiffel in 1 or 2 occasions, which is obviously plain madness as Reiffel was clearly far superior.

Seem to remember him playing when about 5 or 6 superior bowlers were injured at one point too, which is fortunate TSTL.
Oh there's little doubt he was lucky to be there. If McDermott hadn't been a tool and Fleming's shoulder not given up the ghost, he would have been on the sidelines. For sure. And he was the worst performed of the three pacers. Still did his job and from what I remember, was under no illusions about that series being essentially it for him.

And I'm pretty sure the bowling unit was Reiffel, Julian, McGrath and Warne for the entire series, Reiffel having a great series from memory.

Okay so I checked and sure enough, all those guys played every Test.

http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1994-95/AUS_IN_WI/STATS/AUS_IN_WI_MAR-MAY1995_TEST_AVS.html

If McDermott and Fleming played, McGrath probably would have been in the stands with BJ. Weird how life goes considering where that series led for McGrath, no?
 

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